Classis Mini - annoyingly loud..,
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
Or they could have a rattly old Transit from the 80's or 90's. Or a motorbike. Or maybe you could live under a flight path for an International airport.
I sure it really isn't that bad.
I find your position on this baffling. I sure it really isn't that bad.
If I say it's causing a disturbance beyond what is 'reasonable' then surely that is a fact you'll just have to accept as far as this thread is concerned. You saying "no it probably isn't" doesn't really factor...
DoubleSix said:
300bhp/ton said:
Or they could have a rattly old Transit from the 80's or 90's. Or a motorbike. Or maybe you could live under a flight path for an International airport.
I sure it really isn't that bad.
I find your position on this baffling. I sure it really isn't that bad.
If I say it's causing a disturbance beyond what is 'reasonable' then surely that is a fact you'll just have to accept as far as this thread is concerned. You saying "no it probably isn't" doesn't really factor...
DoubleSix said:
R8Steve said:
DoubleSix said:
Well, I had a brief word last night as we crossed paths and he was a little less accommodating than I had hoped citing "dodgy choke" but will "try" and keep it down a bit... 
Not much seems to have changed tbh, and I don't have the technical know how to flip the bonnet and show him what to do.
I know you haven't come on here for advice on how to converse with your neighbours but what else did you expect him to say/do?Not much seems to have changed tbh, and I don't have the technical know how to flip the bonnet and show him what to do.
- "oh really? Sorry about that, force of habit, I'll back off a bit"
- "sorry, yes it's a bit temperamental on start up but I should be getting it looked at in the next week or two if you can stick it out till then"
- "sorry, I had no idea"
- "sorry, it's causing a nuisance but I'm skint so can't sort it right now"
- "sorry"
Not sure if you picked up on a running theme in the above but it seems to be something that comes easier to some than others.
It's like someone coming down and complaining that you are cutting the grass or similar and keeping them awake when they have a massive hangover. You're annoying someone else but not doing anything wrong. Would you apologise for that?
I would just think myself lucky he didn't tell me to f*ck off and then rev it more just to annoy me as most of todays youth would do.
R8Steve said:
Yes, you want him to say sorry for something he thinks isn't a problem and is just him going about his daily business. From your previous post you've said that he basically said "sorry, yes it's a bit temperamental on start up but I should be getting it looked at in the next week or two if you can stick it out till then". Minus the apology that you were looking for of course.
It's like someone coming down and complaining that you are cutting the grass or similar and keeping them awake when they have a massive hangover. You're annoying someone else but not doing anything wrong. Would you apologise for that?
I would just think myself lucky he didn't tell me to f*ck off and then rev it more just to annoy me as most of todays youth would do.
No steve. His response was to shrug and say "yeah, dodgy choke" no mention of getting it sorted and knowing how most people will just drive their cars until they stop working I didn't get the impression it was high on his 'to do' list.It's like someone coming down and complaining that you are cutting the grass or similar and keeping them awake when they have a massive hangover. You're annoying someone else but not doing anything wrong. Would you apologise for that?
I would just think myself lucky he didn't tell me to f*ck off and then rev it more just to annoy me as most of todays youth would do.
Perhaps I am guilty of judging people by my own standards but if my neighbour approached me with such an issue I'd be pretty keen to assure them I'd address it and offering an apology. It's how I was brought up. Anyway, thanks to those who offered the initial technical advice I was after, it was very helpful.
Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 21st April 09:30
DoubleSix said:
I find your position on this baffling.
If I say it's causing a disturbance beyond what is 'reasonable' then surely that is a fact you'll just have to accept as far as this thread is concerned. You saying "no it probably isn't" doesn't really factor...
From your tone, I would say that you are probably being unreasonable.... rather than them.If I say it's causing a disturbance beyond what is 'reasonable' then surely that is a fact you'll just have to accept as far as this thread is concerned. You saying "no it probably isn't" doesn't really factor...
Yes it might be loud, but so are a lot of things. And knowing what a classic Mini can sound like, I honestly don't believe it is anything to get in a flap about, unless you are an unreasonable grumpy person, with a large chip on their shoulder.
DoubleSix said:
R8Steve said:
Yes, you want him to say sorry for something he thinks isn't a problem and is just him going about his daily business. From your previous post you've said that he basically said "sorry, yes it's a bit temperamental on start up but I should be getting it looked at in the next week or two if you can stick it out till then". Minus the apology that you were looking for of course.
It's like someone coming down and complaining that you are cutting the grass or similar and keeping them awake when they have a massive hangover. You're annoying someone else but not doing anything wrong. Would you apologise for that?
I would just think myself lucky he didn't tell me to f*ck off and then rev it more just to annoy me as most of todays youth would do.
No steve. His response was to shrug and say "yeah, dodgy choke" no mention of getting it sorted and knowing how most people will just drive their cars until they stop working I didn't get the impression it was high on his 'to do' list.It's like someone coming down and complaining that you are cutting the grass or similar and keeping them awake when they have a massive hangover. You're annoying someone else but not doing anything wrong. Would you apologise for that?
I would just think myself lucky he didn't tell me to f*ck off and then rev it more just to annoy me as most of todays youth would do.
As far as the mechanical side goes i have an old motorbike with a choke and i can see how it could be annoying to others. It's either choke on and let it sit at 3k rpm for a good few mins or a constant blipping of the throttle til it gets a bit of heat in it.
Fortunately it's only used on rare occasions. If i was using it every morning at 5am i would probably expect someone to comment but if it was my only mode of transport there's probably little i could do.
300bhp/ton said:
DoubleSix said:
I find your position on this baffling.
If I say it's causing a disturbance beyond what is 'reasonable' then surely that is a fact you'll just have to accept as far as this thread is concerned. You saying "no it probably isn't" doesn't really factor...
From your tone, I would say that you are probably being unreasonable.... rather than them.If I say it's causing a disturbance beyond what is 'reasonable' then surely that is a fact you'll just have to accept as far as this thread is concerned. You saying "no it probably isn't" doesn't really factor...
Yes it might be loud, but so are a lot of things. And knowing what a classic Mini can sound like, I honestly don't believe it is anything to get in a flap about, unless you are an unreasonable grumpy person, with a large chip on their shoulder.
You are receiving my "tone" as a result of the b
ks you keep writing, not my neighbour.There's a bloke who has a classic mini (and a gorgeous one at that) that works in the building opposite to me. Anyway, it surprises me how much of a deep rumble it makes when he switches it on and drives off.
No matter where I am in our building you can hear/feel it so I can understand how this would become annoying to the OP if his neighbour is coming and going at all times the day.
At the end of the day, the young lad not really doing anything wrong but if it's annoying to you (and presumably other neighbours too) he should take this into consideration and try to be a bit quieter. That's what being a good neighbour is, give and take and all that.
Failing that, buy him an electronic exhaust valve kit for Christmas
No matter where I am in our building you can hear/feel it so I can understand how this would become annoying to the OP if his neighbour is coming and going at all times the day.
At the end of the day, the young lad not really doing anything wrong but if it's annoying to you (and presumably other neighbours too) he should take this into consideration and try to be a bit quieter. That's what being a good neighbour is, give and take and all that.
Failing that, buy him an electronic exhaust valve kit for Christmas
Best you work on the assumption that nothing is going to change until you add something to the balance in your favour. At the moment keeping on as he is is the thing he wants to do and is easiest for him, and there isn't yet enough reason for him to change that. Do something to force a change or learn to put up with it.
The Mini I had would occasionally be a bit reluctant to run when it was started, especially when cold. I lived on a hill at the time, so could move off pretty quickly with the choke on full.
It had a few upgrades though - 1275 MG Metro engine, K+N filter, LCB manifold and RC40 exhaust..and no soundproofing , so pretty load inside as well.
It had a few upgrades though - 1275 MG Metro engine, K+N filter, LCB manifold and RC40 exhaust..and no soundproofing , so pretty load inside as well.
He may have a duff choke cable that doesn't lock out, but that doesn't make any kind of excuse for the stupid loud exhaust, probably a playmini one which are daft, and don't do a thing for performance so it is just about deliberate noise, this is the issue. It doesn't sound good, and wrecks an otherwise good car. Maybe tell him the maniflow rc40 is a better system and not expensive, better sound and is actually a performance exhaust used in racing, but still quieter maybe?
Of course he may already have this, which makes you a grump, because they aren't that bad.
Choke cables are probably only a tenner, and a doddle to fit.
Of course he may already have this, which makes you a grump, because they aren't that bad.
Choke cables are probably only a tenner, and a doddle to fit.
If I'm being totally honest with myself I think it's partly that I think the exhaust note itself is s
t. I love the woofle of a high capacity engine, even run a performance exhaust on my own 6 cyl BMW, I'm not some bore who doesn't appreciate the sound of a good engine. Then again I'n considerate of others and keep the revs low in resi areas.
This noise just does nothing for me and vibrates our windows and letterbox etc in a way nothing else around here does.
I have to say that in my day the exhaust of choice for my Cooper S was an LCB manifold and a straight pipe to a Mk 1 Sprite silencer which was just a straight through pipe with perforations to a can with some wire wool in it. I like to think my Corvette is not a lot better these days! 
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Off at a tangent perhaps but it is impossible to start and drive my car quietly however hard one tries. A short side exhaust and triple Webers mean I try and warm it up in the garage with the door open to cut down the noise for the neighbour who likes a lie-in at the weekend. I am banned from most track days due to well over 100dbs.
lowdrag said:
Off at a tangent perhaps but it is impossible to start and drive my car quietly however hard one tries. A short side exhaust and triple Webers mean I try and warm it up in the garage with the door open to cut down the noise for the neighbour who likes a lie-in at the weekend. I am banned from most track days due to well over 100dbs.
Not impossible, just inconvenient and not highly practical. In London the common solution seems to be the application of one of those track day silencers while the car is warming up to a steady idle. A royal pain but seems to be a fix. I had a mini with a tuned MG Metro engine, 286 cam, big valve head etc. It had an LCB manifold into 1.5" downpipe with a single straight through rear silencer. It was loud, very loud! I used it as my daily driver for 3 years while working night shift. I never had any complaints about it despite setting off the same Transit alarm every single morning. Worse than that, a year after I'd changed my daily to a much more socially acceptable car and was talking to a retired couple who lived opposite, they told me that it had woken them up every morning for those 3 years! Maybe everyone thought it sounded as great as I did.
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