When car is too good to restore & repaint, but keep patina
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EXACTLY! That Corvette has no history to record in its 'patina', it has stayed in a garage. In fact it has no 'patina', "Incrustation, on surface of old bronze, esteemed as ornament" (OED definition), just a lack of marks or scratches.
Each of the Landy's imperfections and incrustations tells a story. THAT's patina.
John
Each of the Landy's imperfections and incrustations tells a story. THAT's patina.
John
tapkaJohnD said:
EXACTLY! That Corvette has no history to record in its 'patina', it has stayed in a garage. In fact it has no 'patina', "Incrustation, on surface of old bronze, esteemed as ornament" (OED definition), just a lack of marks or scratches.
Each of the Landy's imperfections and incrustations tells a story. THAT's patina.
John
Your taking utter rubbish chap,theres "Marks" all round the car some wear in the seats even a small crack in drivers seat,drivers door top worn through etc, the car has history in abundance its patina is almost perfect for its age been to many classic shows over the last 20yrs with a good few placing in survivor class...unbelievable rubbish some people post when they haven't even seen the car!!Each of the Landy's imperfections and incrustations tells a story. THAT's patina.
John
Some Non Patina,
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No patina here??
Edited by 911gary on Saturday 22 October 12:32
What's one mans Patina is another mans rusty shed.
What's one mans Patina is another mans shiney garaged corvette.
I don't want this to get caught up in the "what is Patina?" Circle........
...with the exception of this urban dictionary interpretation :
PATINA The term that antique appraisers and collectors use to describe rust or age on an old object to try to increase its value.
....Which we know is out there, but that's not the topic here.
As the landy story goes, it's about maintaining a car that has visual history, smell & charactor.
Mine...... It's an Alfa 1300 GT junior 1971......... Supplied to a teacher new in Nairobi, she then moved to Greece and drove it there, it then moved to the UK. Still on its original paint...polished through to the metal on the wing creases! Amongst many other little charactor pieces (like the aftermarket shelf speakers she had installed in the late 70s...... Now not wired to anything).
I wanted to get ideas, pointers, and guidance on how to maintain charactor, without f&cking it up.
What's one mans Patina is another mans shiney garaged corvette.
I don't want this to get caught up in the "what is Patina?" Circle........
...with the exception of this urban dictionary interpretation :
PATINA The term that antique appraisers and collectors use to describe rust or age on an old object to try to increase its value.
....Which we know is out there, but that's not the topic here.
As the landy story goes, it's about maintaining a car that has visual history, smell & charactor.
Mine...... It's an Alfa 1300 GT junior 1971......... Supplied to a teacher new in Nairobi, she then moved to Greece and drove it there, it then moved to the UK. Still on its original paint...polished through to the metal on the wing creases! Amongst many other little charactor pieces (like the aftermarket shelf speakers she had installed in the late 70s...... Now not wired to anything).
I wanted to get ideas, pointers, and guidance on how to maintain charactor, without f&cking it up.
jamieandthemagic said:
What's one mans Patina is another mans rusty shed.
What's one mans Patina is another mans shiney garaged corvette.
I don't want this to get caught up in the "what is Patina?" Circle........
...with the exception of this urban dictionary interpretation :
PATINA The term that antique appraisers and collectors use to describe rust or age on an old object to try to increase its value.
....Which we know is out there, but that's not the topic here.
As the landy story goes, it's about maintaining a car that has visual history, smell & charactor.
Mine...... It's an Alfa 1300 GT junior 1971......... Supplied to a teacher new in Nairobi, she then moved to Greece and drove it there, it then moved to the UK. Still on its original paint...polished through to the metal on the wing creases! Amongst many other little charactor pieces (like the aftermarket shelf speakers she had installed in the late 70s...... Now not wired to anything).
I wanted to get ideas, pointers, and guidance on how to maintain charactor, without f&cking it up.
All I can suggest is that you don't overdo the polish and try and get a factory-type finish, which after time should dull back to look suitably aged. Not quite sure what you want to hear. If you're doing a nut and bolt rebuild of the engine, you won't have any patina left there. These things are only original once. You'll have to try and build up 'the look' over a few years. Hope I'm understanding what you're after.What's one mans Patina is another mans shiney garaged corvette.
I don't want this to get caught up in the "what is Patina?" Circle........
...with the exception of this urban dictionary interpretation :
PATINA The term that antique appraisers and collectors use to describe rust or age on an old object to try to increase its value.
....Which we know is out there, but that's not the topic here.
As the landy story goes, it's about maintaining a car that has visual history, smell & charactor.
Mine...... It's an Alfa 1300 GT junior 1971......... Supplied to a teacher new in Nairobi, she then moved to Greece and drove it there, it then moved to the UK. Still on its original paint...polished through to the metal on the wing creases! Amongst many other little charactor pieces (like the aftermarket shelf speakers she had installed in the late 70s...... Now not wired to anything).
I wanted to get ideas, pointers, and guidance on how to maintain charactor, without f&cking it up.
911gary said:
Your taking utter rubbish chap,theres "Marks" all round the car some wear in the seats even a small crack in drivers seat,drivers door top worn through etc, the car has history in abundance its patina is almost perfect for its age been to many classic shows over the last 20yrs with a good few placing in survivor class...unbelievable rubbish some people post when they haven't even seen the car!!
No patina here??
Gary,No patina here??
Edited by 911gary on Saturday 22 October 12:32
I bow to your better photographs of the car's little imperfections.
The ones you showed before must have been taken to show the car in the best light, whereas these...
JOhn
Ta muchly. Please note the toilet chain handle to operate the radiator blind too! But no mention of the short nose D-type behind? The XK150 is raced a lot (three races a weekend isn't unusual) and has filler in all corners. To see the latest episode look here:-
https://racingfail.com/castle-combe-autumn-classic...
https://racingfail.com/castle-combe-autumn-classic...
lowdrag said:
Ta muchly. Please note the toilet chain handle to operate the radiator blind too! But no mention of the short nose D-type behind? The XK150 is raced a lot (three races a weekend isn't unusual) and has filler in all corners. To see the latest episode look here:-
https://racingfail.com/castle-combe-autumn-classic...
Excellent stuff, thanks for the link https://racingfail.com/castle-combe-autumn-classic...
I love the aircraft technology that went into Malcolm Sayer's thinking when he worked on the E-Type, the body tub + frontal frame is pure Supermarine Spitfire and a jolly good piece of kit to boot. I had the pleasure of sitting in the driver's seat of a '66 Series 1 FHC last Sunday for a few minutes, what a lovely place to be, I'm quite a shortarse but it all felt very cosy, very compact and 'right' somehow. And the view over that lovely bonnet... I was trying to imagine what it must have been like to have bought one new in the '60s, there probably aren't enough words for that. If luck ever shined on me enough to be able to afford one, I'd have a S1 FHC in an instant... in gunmetal grey with a red interior, with a tank full of fuel and its nose pointed to the horizon . As for the D-Type, if my knees had knees of their own they would be in a permanent state of extreme wobbliness!
Regarding the thread title, this is the one 'original' car I really should never have let go, my November '65 built / January '66 registered Mk1 1275 Morris Cooper S, bought in 2008 from a chap who'd had it ten years and all he did to it was maintain it and use it. Just before I bought it, it had featured in Practical Classics where Russell Brooks gave it a thorough seeing to on a track against an MGB and Stag. No replacement panels or patches anywhere and still carrying its now rare optional 'factory recliners' with the grey / gold brocade trim, and although not that apparent from the digital photos there was a lovely patina all over the car, inside and out, the Island Blue body colour was faded here and there while the Old English White roof had taken on a very creamy hue to the Mk1 eyeball. I sold it to buy yet another Rover P6 and have regretted it ever since...
Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 26th October 19:18
Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 26th October 19:50
Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 26th October 19:52
tapkaJohnD said:
The title of this thread is "When [a] car is too good to restore & repaint, but keep patina", why are we being shown cars as shiny and perfect as that Corvette? Is it for sale?
A friend has just asked me to help him restore his Mk.2 LandRover. Discussing the ways and means, he wondered out loud about how much the respray would cost. I hope I have dissuaded him!
Because this Landy is a bit special, or rather he and his family are. He bought it in Australia, where he gone to work, with his family. They then drove it around Australia, and BACK TO THE UK, overland! He has full logs of the journey, typed on a portable on a self-built shelf (still there!) on the dashboard, and can relate every ding and scrape to each incident that caused it, in Iran, India or Innsbruck.
Of course, a Landy's body panels don't rust, they do acquire little pimples as well as the scars of use, but I hope he will just clean them up, apply some polish to help keep them clean and leave it at that. It would be a sin to respray the vehicle!
John
I think you probably mean series II Land Rover? In which case you wouldn't respray it anyway. They are painted with coach enamel and can be painted very successfully with a brush or even a gloss paint roller.A friend has just asked me to help him restore his Mk.2 LandRover. Discussing the ways and means, he wondered out loud about how much the respray would cost. I hope I have dissuaded him!
Because this Landy is a bit special, or rather he and his family are. He bought it in Australia, where he gone to work, with his family. They then drove it around Australia, and BACK TO THE UK, overland! He has full logs of the journey, typed on a portable on a self-built shelf (still there!) on the dashboard, and can relate every ding and scrape to each incident that caused it, in Iran, India or Innsbruck.
Of course, a Landy's body panels don't rust, they do acquire little pimples as well as the scars of use, but I hope he will just clean them up, apply some polish to help keep them clean and leave it at that. It would be a sin to respray the vehicle!
John
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