Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction
Discussion
I-am-the-reverend said:
Plus the sills look to be about a foot thick and I'm pretty sure a 1973 car should have the sports wheels and the three spoke wheel with the 'RS' centre.
Olympic blue was an absolutely vile colour to my eyes, especially after that glorious Electric blue before it. Olympic blue is a wishy washy nothing colour best suited to Allegro panda cars and those Invacar heaps.
That just looks like a well used old Escort that's been given a quick flash over. Alright if it's cheap but I'm sure there will be much better ones.
Depends what the buyer wants it for I guess - if they want a show queen it's probably not for them, personally I'd prefer something a bit rough round the edges that I'd not be afraid to use properly Olympic blue was an absolutely vile colour to my eyes, especially after that glorious Electric blue before it. Olympic blue is a wishy washy nothing colour best suited to Allegro panda cars and those Invacar heaps.
That just looks like a well used old Escort that's been given a quick flash over. Alright if it's cheap but I'm sure there will be much better ones.
Edited by I-am-the-reverend on Wednesday 24th April 12:40
Have to admit I've always been partial to Olympic blue, probably something to do with my first ever car (a Mk2) being that colour. Electric/Monza is also a great colour too.
Each to their own of course
FWIW panda cars weren't Olympic blue - I re-shelled one of my rally cars into a panda back in the day. Certainly wasn't Olympic. Not sure what the actual colour was, but the closest I found was (IIRC) Nordic or something?
Ken P said:
I-am-the-reverend said:
Plus the sills look to be about a foot thick and I'm pretty sure a 1973 car should have the sports wheels and the three spoke wheel with the 'RS' centre.
Olympic blue was an absolutely vile colour to my eyes, especially after that glorious Electric blue before it. Olympic blue is a wishy washy nothing colour best suited to Allegro panda cars and those Invacar heaps.
That just looks like a well used old Escort that's been given a quick flash over. Alright if it's cheap but I'm sure there will be much better ones.
Depends what the buyer wants it for I guess - if they want a show queen it's probably not for them, personally I'd prefer something a bit rough round the edges that I'd not be afraid to use properly Olympic blue was an absolutely vile colour to my eyes, especially after that glorious Electric blue before it. Olympic blue is a wishy washy nothing colour best suited to Allegro panda cars and those Invacar heaps.
That just looks like a well used old Escort that's been given a quick flash over. Alright if it's cheap but I'm sure there will be much better ones.
Edited by I-am-the-reverend on Wednesday 24th April 12:40
I'd sell of the seats and console etc., and put some works style Contour's in with a correct vinyl rear seat. and make it look more like the road rally car it started life as.
PAUL.S. said:
Sounds like the deceased guy found a nice 1300 years ago and transferred everything over from a rotter.
Seems DVLA are really cracking down now on these old logbook restorations, that are hitting the road again with all the price rises.
Yeah, the photo's on the bay of evil site show the stone deflector studs in the boot floor look like they have been added to this shell, they don't look factory....although its a long time since I looked at an original one Seems DVLA are really cracking down now on these old logbook restorations, that are hitting the road again with all the price rises.
but I don't remember them looking that rough.The thing is though, back in the day before values were silly (70's and 80's) many cars were re-shelled with decent 1100/1300 shells and all the bits transferred over. I knew of a few cars that had been shelled more than once - due to accident damage, or being used as rally cars.
Many a Mk.1 was re-shelled into a Mk.2 shell....!!
No one really batted an eye back then, its was just what people did, especially as so many were comp cars.
Like anything though, once values skyrocket, the crooks and con artists get involved and it all gets messy for everyone else.
aeropilot said:
PAUL.S. said:
Sounds like the deceased guy found a nice 1300 years ago and transferred everything over from a rotter.
Seems DVLA are really cracking down now on these old logbook restorations, that are hitting the road again with all the price rises.
Yeah, the photo's on the bay of evil site show the stone deflector studs in the boot floor look like they have been added to this shell, they don't look factory....although its a long time since I looked at an original one Seems DVLA are really cracking down now on these old logbook restorations, that are hitting the road again with all the price rises.
but I don't remember them looking that rough.The thing is though, back in the day before values were silly (70's and 80's) many cars were re-shelled with decent 1100/1300 shells and all the bits transferred over. I knew of a few cars that had been shelled more than once - due to accident damage, or being used as rally cars.
Many a Mk.1 was re-shelled into a Mk.2 shell....!!
No one really batted an eye back then, its was just what people did, especially as so many were comp cars.
Like anything though, once values skyrocket, the crooks and con artists get involved and it all gets messy for everyone else.
generationx said:
aeropilot said:
PAUL.S. said:
Sounds like the deceased guy found a nice 1300 years ago and transferred everything over from a rotter.
Seems DVLA are really cracking down now on these old logbook restorations, that are hitting the road again with all the price rises.
Yeah, the photo's on the bay of evil site show the stone deflector studs in the boot floor look like they have been added to this shell, they don't look factory....although its a long time since I looked at an original one Seems DVLA are really cracking down now on these old logbook restorations, that are hitting the road again with all the price rises.
but I don't remember them looking that rough.The thing is though, back in the day before values were silly (70's and 80's) many cars were re-shelled with decent 1100/1300 shells and all the bits transferred over. I knew of a few cars that had been shelled more than once - due to accident damage, or being used as rally cars.
Many a Mk.1 was re-shelled into a Mk.2 shell....!!
No one really batted an eye back then, its was just what people did, especially as so many were comp cars.
Like anything though, once values skyrocket, the crooks and con artists get involved and it all gets messy for everyone else.
Trimmed RS2000 shells came less all seats & carpet.
Both were available in right or left hand drive.
aeropilot said:
Famous car in its original Mk.1 works form, and then equally famous for many years in its Mk.2 shell form, when campaigned by Charlie Eveson.
The video featured Eveson at the start of an event back in the 80's, only posted a few days ago. A name I'd long forgotten.There were many others including MTW 200P David Bell IIRC? Ex Sooty car, that was as built & KVJ 818P Ex Nigel Rockey .....and Bill Dobie.
Maxdecel said:
aeropilot said:
Famous car in its original Mk.1 works form, and then equally famous for many years in its Mk.2 shell form, when campaigned by Charlie Eveson.
The video featured Eveson at the start of an event back in the 80's, only posted a few days ago. A name I'd long forgotten.aeropilot said:
I well remember encountering Charles and the car in service areas at various times on the '85 RAC, as that was the first RAC Rally I worked as service crew on, and it was the final RAC and WRC event the Escort RS1800 was homologated for.
Think this was 83 either Tour of Lincs or York National ? One of'em. I over indulged, think the ToL was in two parts. There were many cars I recognised, spent a lot of that era speccyin/servicing in Lincs.What a pain for the owner sounds like he did plenty of checks before buying.
Looks like a very nice car it all comes down to value and whether the next owner can live with a log book that says 1300 instead of Mexico.
One way around this dvla problem is register it abroad and then bring it back again to the U.K. fine if you have a non U.K. address and time to do all that.
Looks like a very nice car it all comes down to value and whether the next owner can live with a log book that says 1300 instead of Mexico.
One way around this dvla problem is register it abroad and then bring it back again to the U.K. fine if you have a non U.K. address and time to do all that.
Maxdecel said:
Coincidentally only saw this last night on a video.
Lovely Bloke is Charles we had some great battles back in the early 80's when i had my TR7 V8 When i battered DKP back in 83 on Dave at Gartrac's advice i re-shelled it into what i believe was there last "new" Mk 2 shell. Charles bought the battered shell as he wanted to re-shell LVX above. As he was DP at Hartford Motors Banbury back then he had access to all Ford Jigs etc so they did a great job in straitening the shell, albeit you could still see a few small ripples in the O/S rear chassis leg inside the boot.
So, LVX was re-shelled from a DKP shell
Buy it then take the DVLA to court is the only proper solution. There is a physical car there, it is not a clone of another, and only real experts would spot it's been reshelled in the past, which itself is not against the rules, hard for DVLA to prove after so long that it was not a new shell at the time.
An F40 owner whose car had previously been a cat B then exported, took on the DVLA in court and won when he wanted to get is back on the road in the UK recently.
An F40 owner whose car had previously been a cat B then exported, took on the DVLA in court and won when he wanted to get is back on the road in the UK recently.
PAUL.S. said:
Buy it then take the DVLA to court is the only proper solution. There is a physical car there, it is not a clone of another, and only real experts would spot it's been reshelled in the past, which itself is not against the rules, hard for DVLA to prove after so long that it was not a new shell at the time.
An F40 owner whose car had previously been a cat B then exported, took on the DVLA in court and won when he wanted to get is back on the road in the UK recently.
If its your own car and you are absolutely certain about the history with proof going back years, then you would be confident of winning.An F40 owner whose car had previously been a cat B then exported, took on the DVLA in court and won when he wanted to get is back on the road in the UK recently.
Buying an unknown off ebay with a story, not so much.
PAUL.S. said:
Buy it then take the DVLA to court is the only proper solution. There is a physical car there, it is not a clone of another, and only real experts would spot it's been reshelled in the past, which itself is not against the rules, hard for DVLA to prove after so long that it was not a new shell at the time.
An F40 owner whose car had previously been a cat B then exported, took on the DVLA in court and won when he wanted to get is back on the road in the UK recently.
If you reshell a car , DVLA won't let you keep the reg , unless it is an MGB shell from Heritage and maybe a Mini ( whatever , there are a couple of exceptions to the rule ) . You cannot get enough " points " on their scoring system without the original shell . These are the current rules , don't know how far back the DVLA would apply them . An F40 owner whose car had previously been a cat B then exported, took on the DVLA in court and won when he wanted to get is back on the road in the UK recently.
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