A 'period' classics pictures thread (Mk III)

A 'period' classics pictures thread (Mk III)

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keeef

340 posts

162 months

Sunday 14th April
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Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
Just a funny camera angle then?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/27882991049...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/24792832447...

VDP were only one with over riders under the lamp. Rest were a bit inboard.

Escort3500

11,913 posts

145 months

Sunday 14th April
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Always the photographer’s favourite…


Dapster

6,949 posts

180 months

Sunday 14th April
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Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
The VDP units were both "outboard" and larger than the standard car. These look like the VdP ones but then the pic can't have been 1962 as this was about 2 years before the VdP went on sale



Standard


VdP


keeef

340 posts

162 months

Sunday 14th April
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Dapster said:
The VDP units were both "outboard" and larger than the standard car. These look like the VdP ones but then the pic can't have been 1962 as this was about 2 years before the VdP went on sale
1962? It says 67 on the front of the cart! smile




Milkyway

9,450 posts

53 months

Sunday 14th April
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keeef said:
1962? It says 67 on the front of the cart! smile
I keep seeing NIgel Mansell,.. but he would have only been fourteen then.

manorcom

303 posts

102 months

Monday 15th April
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Les Leston [wearing flat cap] in the early days of his accessory selling business with his Ford Thames 400 van


moffspeed

2,703 posts

207 months

Monday 15th April
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keeef said:
Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
Just a funny camera angle then?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/27882991049...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/24792832447...

VDP were only one with over riders under the lamp. Rest were a bit inboard.
I was thinking maybe ADO 67 (Austin 3 Litre) although perhaps over rider doesn’t match.

That photo really “feels” late rather than early 60’s. ADO 67 introduced Oct. ‘67.







Edited by moffspeed on Monday 15th April 08:42

Dan Singh

868 posts

50 months

Monday 15th April
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moffspeed said:
keeef said:
Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
Just a funny camera angle then?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/27882991049...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/24792832447...

VDP were only one with over riders under the lamp. Rest were a bit inboard.
I was thinking maybe ADO 67 (Austin 3 Litre) although perhaps over rider doesn’t match.

That photo really “feels” late rather than early 60’s. ADO 67 introduced Oct. ‘67.




Edited by moffspeed on Monday 15th April 08:42
My initial thought was VW Type3 saloon, but discounted that because they had a reflector under the tail lamp.

Milkyway

9,450 posts

53 months

Monday 15th April
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MG Midget... Pre rubber bumpers.

Dapster

6,949 posts

180 months

Monday 15th April
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Milkyway said:
MG Midget... Pre rubber bumpers.
Nah, can't be. Lens isn't flat (reflector sticks out), over riders are inboard and you'd see the filler cap




aeropilot

34,630 posts

227 months

Monday 15th April
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moffspeed said:
That photo really “feels” late rather than early 60’s. ADO 67 introduced Oct. ‘67.
I agree.....

Colour film was still quite rare (and expensive) in UK in 62, other than Kodachrome, so I'd also suggest photo was taken 68-70 ish period as well.


hidetheelephants

24,410 posts

193 months

Monday 15th April
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Was Grandad rich? It's not a bad match for an RR Corniche or MPW Shadow 2 door coupe.

Gavarnie

130 posts

58 months

Monday 15th April
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Can't offer any particularly helpful suggestions but what I do know:

1. Wherever this photograph was taken, it was not where my grandparents lived. I don't even know if the car we can see was their car.
2. My grandfather was a keen photographer so I would not be surprised if he had been using colour film.
3. I am pretty confident that this was taken in 1962 (or possibly 1963) but no later. It comes in a chronological sequence.
4. Relatively sure he never had a RR or similar. But I do know that in 1961 he was driving an Austin Westminster and that later he had an Austin 3 litre before switching to a series of Rover P6.



aeropilot

34,630 posts

227 months

Monday 15th April
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Dapster said:
Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
The VDP units were both "outboard" and larger than the standard car. These look like the VdP ones but then the pic can't have been 1962 as this was about 2 years before the VdP went on sale

I think the gap between bottom of the light cluster and the top of the over rider is too big for an VDP ADO16........looking at photos on them, the top of the over rider is almost level with the bottom of the light cluster?
Angle of the light cluster looks different as well....?


soxboy

6,252 posts

219 months

Monday 15th April
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Dan Singh said:
moffspeed said:
keeef said:
Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
Just a funny camera angle then?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/27882991049...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/24792832447...

VDP were only one with over riders under the lamp. Rest were a bit inboard.
I was thinking maybe ADO 67 (Austin 3 Litre) although perhaps over rider doesn’t match.

That photo really “feels” late rather than early 60’s. ADO 67 introduced Oct. ‘67.




Edited by moffspeed on Monday 15th April 08:42
My initial thought was VW Type3 saloon, but discounted that because they had a reflector under the tail lamp.
Maybe the angle covered the reflector?



moffspeed

2,703 posts

207 months

Monday 15th April
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Gavarnie said:
Can't offer any particularly helpful suggestions but what I do know:

1. Wherever this photograph was taken, it was not where my grandparents lived. I don't even know if the car we can see was their car.
2. My grandfather was a keen photographer so I would not be surprised if he had been using colour film.
3. I am pretty confident that this was taken in 1962 (or possibly 1963) but no later. It comes in a chronological sequence.
4. Relatively sure he never had a RR or similar. But I do know that in 1961 he was driving an Austin Westminster and that later he had an Austin 3 litre before switching to a series of Rover P6.
Interesting to note that your grandfather did own an Austin 3 Litre - maybe he parked the car in someone’s drive to take the photo ?

However that would suggest 1967 onwards and you seem pretty definite that the photo was ‘62.

For what it’s worth that looks like a late 50’s/early 60’s kart -small narrow wheels and a tiller steering wheel - this is Graham Hill atop something similar, Lakenheath 1959.


soxboy

6,252 posts

219 months

Monday 15th April
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Maybe the ‘67’ racing number is 1967?

hidetheelephants

24,410 posts

193 months

Monday 15th April
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soxboy said:
Maybe the angle covered the reflector?


Looks like a match to me; 10,000 PH nerd points to you and Dan Singh. thumbup

aeropilot

34,630 posts

227 months

Monday 15th April
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I'm sold on the Type 3 idea looking at the photo thumbup

Would have been a pretty new car (as well as unusual in UK) if photo is indeed '62, as they only started making them in late '61.

skwdenyer

16,509 posts

240 months

Monday 15th April
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keeef said:
Dan Singh said:
I'm not convinced, there's too much of a gap between the overrider and the lamp for it to be a VDP.
Just a funny camera angle then?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/27882991049...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hk11_yah/24792832447...

VDP were only one with over riders under the lamp. Rest were a bit inboard.
There appears to be a marked "undercut" in the panelwork beneath the lights, which doesn't seem to fit with the suggestions so far.

Also, the bottom of tail lights appear "peaked" in the picture, as opposed to flat.

It seems highly likely to be a Pininfarina design (or derivative) based on the rather distinctive (for the period) light design.