1952 "droop snoot" C type

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lowdrag

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Thursday 30th September 2010
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Ah, this worry that seems to have started about "correct oils"! Let's take the E-type; 80,000 on the same engine, hill climbs, track days, fast touring, and all it has had chucked at it is any old 20/50 I can buy wherever and still it is in fine fettle with consumption at one pint per 3,000 miles.

The D-type; high compression, Venolia pistons, over 300bhp and while CKL recommend Valvoline I can't get it here so it exists on a diet of supermarket 20/50 and seems fine for it.

The C-type; once again, whatever comes to hand. Someone gave me recently a gallon of Castrol 20/50 which it is currently guzzling.

I think this business of which oil is rather overdone. The XK engine was invented before multigrade existed and is perfectly capable of using whatever modern oil you can find since it is considerably better, no matter which one, than the oils available in the day. So nip to your nearest Halfrauds or wherever and don't worry - most Jaguars consume oil at such a rate that an oil change is rarely necessary!

barchetta_boy

2,200 posts

233 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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It's not as simple as saying modern oils are "better". They can contain additive packages full of detergent which is the last thing you want swilling around a 30+ yr old engine that's only ever had mineral or semi-synth in it.

Also there is an anti-wear component called ZDDP that is very important for my engine (Porsche 928 1979 alloy V8). Many modern oils have dramatically reduced the ZDDP content which is not good for the long-term health of the engine.

Of course, I'm not disagreeing with your experience, just pointing out that for classics, newer oil is not always better. I use a Valvoline VR1 20/50 in my 928 and Penrite 10/60 when I can't get the Valvoline.

Joel

LongLiveTazio

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198 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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I don't think modern oil matters if he is regularly changing or topping up the oil as that would prevent any build-up of debris etc.

RichB

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285 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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I use Castrol 20W/50 because I like the can wink

lowdrag

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Friday 1st October 2010
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barchetta_boy said:
Also there is an anti-wear component called ZDDP that is very important for my engine (Porsche 928 1979 alloy V8). Many modern oils have dramatically reduced the ZDDP content which is not good for the long-term health of the engine. Joel
Perhaps there's the difference. XK engines are older technology, iron block and not alloy. The head is alloy but as long as you keep the antifreeze level up you'll get no problems. Even with the alloy-block V12 though, the engines do not seem to have suffered with modern oils and are well known for being virtually indestructable.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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Modern oil's main advantage is that it doesn't break down as fast as old oil. That's how service intervals quadrupled. With an old engine the oil builds up a fair bit of crud so the oil needs to be changed at more regular intervals. So there's no point using expensive oil that lasts for 12,000 miles if you are going to throw it out after 3,000.

barchetta_boy

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233 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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I have read that long term use of mineral oil builds up a working surface within the engine that Mobil 1 fully synth will wash off in 5 minutes, which can lead to incredibly noisy tappets etc.

I would certainly think twice before filling an old Jag with fully synth for this reason, but then I know about 1% of most of you lot so will bow to popular opinion :-)


Joel

davepen

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271 months

Saturday 1st January 2011
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lowdrag said:
No, I reckon I'll be over for the New Year with the C-type for the usual Hartley Wintney run.
Did you come to our meet (White Buck) today instead?

lowdrag

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Saturday 1st January 2011
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Yup, that was me and the car. Staying at Ashurst so we came mob handed with the Jaguars. Hope you liked it. Found it a great day out and hope to return next year with the D-type. We'll reserve a table next time though!

Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 2nd January 10:15

Le Mans Visitor

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203 months

Saturday 1st January 2011
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I have some pictures to post up later.

a8hex

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224 months

Saturday 1st January 2011
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lowdrag said:
Yup, that was me and the car. Staying at Ashurst so we came mob handed with the Jaguars. Hope you liked it.
Didn't see you at the Phoenix, I seem to remember you saying you'd got another date this year.

Le Mans Visitor

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Sunday 2nd January 2011
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As promised. A few pictures of Tony and his car from the White Buck Car Meet at Burley.










dinkel

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259 months

Tuesday 4th January 2011
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Gotta love the C-type:





Fab looking cars.

lowdrag

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Monday 28th February 2011
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Sorry to revive the thread now that the car is "old hat", but I am feeling rather chuffed today. I opened the letter box, and amidst all the crap was an impressive envelope from Goodwood. The C-type is invited to the Festival of Speed on 1/3 July. Once again, an invite that cannot be refused!

ettore

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253 months

Monday 28th February 2011
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lowdrag said:
Sorry to revive the thread now that the car is "old hat", but I am feeling rather chuffed today. I opened the letter box, and amidst all the crap was an impressive envelope from Goodwood. The C-type is invited to the Festival of Speed on 1/3 July. Once again, an invite that cannot be refused!
Congratulations - will certainly be a weekend to remember.

Todzilla

237 posts

176 months

Monday 28th February 2011
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I've received one of those letters in the past and they certainly quicken the pulse! Congratulations and I look forward to seeing the car over the weekend.

a8hex

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Monday 28th February 2011
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lowdrag said:
Sorry to revive the thread now that the car is "old hat", but I am feeling rather chuffed today. I opened the letter box, and amidst all the crap was an impressive envelope from Goodwood. The C-type is invited to the Festival of Speed on 1/3 July. Once again, an invite that cannot be refused!
It doesn't sound quite as exciting as your last invite.
But still pretty far off the scale.
Well done Tony for have the guts to follow the project all the way through

lowdrag

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Monday 28th February 2011
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Thank you all for your kind comments. The theme at the Festival this year is the evolution of the racing car, including those that were and those that were not a success. Mine will of course fall very neatly into the latter camp!

a8hex

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Monday 28th February 2011
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It is also an apt year to be celebrating all thing C.

lowdrag

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Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Perhaps, if things come to pass, it be driven up the hill by an aged pensioner. I understand he's called Norman Dewis. Ever heard of him? Is he safe? wink

Edit; seriously, it would be a thrill and an honour were he to do so.

Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 3rd April 10:15