Panic attack: SVA and the IVA
Discussion
I hear that all the rules are changing and that life is to become difficult. Is this just rubbish or am I really going to have problems with the new C type. Help! I need informed information please, no soporific comments. I received a call this afternoon about this and while I have done a brief google I'd like to hear from anyone who actually knows when and what this entails.
The SVA will be replaced by the BIVA / IVA in April of this year.
The actual rules re car building will not change a great deal - the cost of the test will - a figure in excess of £500 has been suggested but not, as far as I know, confirmed.
It has also been reported that the new BIVA / IVA system will be much more rigorously enforced than the present SVA in the sense that those who build or modify cars without getting the V5 details updated or the car tested (where appropriate), will be hit hard by the authorities. It is also rumoured that eventually cars presented for an MOT which are obviously new builds or highly modified will have to be referred to VOSA by the MOT tester if the computer records do not show that the car has been through the IVA / BIVA procedure.
The message is build it right and get it registered properly.
Full details of the new system can be found here:
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/vehicledeale...
The actual rules re car building will not change a great deal - the cost of the test will - a figure in excess of £500 has been suggested but not, as far as I know, confirmed.
It has also been reported that the new BIVA / IVA system will be much more rigorously enforced than the present SVA in the sense that those who build or modify cars without getting the V5 details updated or the car tested (where appropriate), will be hit hard by the authorities. It is also rumoured that eventually cars presented for an MOT which are obviously new builds or highly modified will have to be referred to VOSA by the MOT tester if the computer records do not show that the car has been through the IVA / BIVA procedure.
The message is build it right and get it registered properly.
Full details of the new system can be found here:
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/vehicledeale...
I tend to agree with the last comment. Building a replica of a car from years gone by and they require you to pass noise tests, emissions tests, headrests (for a sports car replica?) and then look at the "degree angle" of the rear lights, indicators (of course, we all had orange indicators in 1955), stop lights and rear lights. Frankly it seems that all old rebuilt cars are being lumped in with modern imports (class M1) so wither (sic) the replica industry or inclination?
Yepp sure looks like another legislative balls up.
A few years ago they changed the rules about child seats. When I asked the DoT about the new rules they initially refered me to the company who fitted the seat belts to my car. They told me these people (Quick fit) were the experts. We discussed the situation. I went back and forth. I ended up exchanging emails with Peter Ladyman, the then Minister for Transport. The upshot was that I have a letter from the Minister that it is legal for me to carry my children in my 1958 built car with no seat belts. However I can not carry them with seatbelts!
I mean just who's side are these morons on?
Eventually a policeman in the "Plod and the law" group here pointed out that the maximum fine for breaching the new regulation was £30 and no points (*). The cost of comply with the regulations was carrying the kids with no seat belts or using booster seats in such a way that I knew that if I was forced to perform a hard stop I would mostly likely squash their spines and maim them for life. So in my case ignoring the law seemed like a bargain.
Sadly that doesn't seem to be an option in your case.
I suspect that if you talk to the man at the ministry that you will find that they blame it all on Europe, That the new regulations are bound up with an attempt to have common registration requirements right across the EU. It would never occur to the sort of morons who write these regulations that anyone is driving anything other than this weeks latest model Volvo (which we are no doubt paying for).
I suspect that no matter how much you complain to the government they will just claim that their hands are tied. Using the good offices of the JDC and possibly the FBHVC might have a little more effect. But sadly there is little chance of the powers that be ever seeing sense.
(*) the other comment that was made was along the lines of what do you think the presses reaction would be to a court prosecuting someone for making their kids wear seatbelts when they would not have been prosecuted if they didn't.
Stuart Quick also related the case of another customer who had a special child seat built for one of their cars to the same standards as are required by the FIA for a racing seat and harness. This seat would pass scruitineering but wasn't "type approved" and so was not legal for road use.
A few years ago they changed the rules about child seats. When I asked the DoT about the new rules they initially refered me to the company who fitted the seat belts to my car. They told me these people (Quick fit) were the experts. We discussed the situation. I went back and forth. I ended up exchanging emails with Peter Ladyman, the then Minister for Transport. The upshot was that I have a letter from the Minister that it is legal for me to carry my children in my 1958 built car with no seat belts. However I can not carry them with seatbelts!
I mean just who's side are these morons on?
Eventually a policeman in the "Plod and the law" group here pointed out that the maximum fine for breaching the new regulation was £30 and no points (*). The cost of comply with the regulations was carrying the kids with no seat belts or using booster seats in such a way that I knew that if I was forced to perform a hard stop I would mostly likely squash their spines and maim them for life. So in my case ignoring the law seemed like a bargain.
Sadly that doesn't seem to be an option in your case.
I suspect that if you talk to the man at the ministry that you will find that they blame it all on Europe, That the new regulations are bound up with an attempt to have common registration requirements right across the EU. It would never occur to the sort of morons who write these regulations that anyone is driving anything other than this weeks latest model Volvo (which we are no doubt paying for).
I suspect that no matter how much you complain to the government they will just claim that their hands are tied. Using the good offices of the JDC and possibly the FBHVC might have a little more effect. But sadly there is little chance of the powers that be ever seeing sense.
(*) the other comment that was made was along the lines of what do you think the presses reaction would be to a court prosecuting someone for making their kids wear seatbelts when they would not have been prosecuted if they didn't.
Stuart Quick also related the case of another customer who had a special child seat built for one of their cars to the same standards as are required by the FIA for a racing seat and harness. This seat would pass scruitineering but wasn't "type approved" and so was not legal for road use.
The main problem seems to be with "re creations" or tool room copies if you can't assume the identy of a previously regesterd car you are in the S**t. I am looking at a Type 37 project but i understand there are a couple of people who currently have cars they cant get papers on.
Dont know the score with a Jag must be easier to find a doner car.
Dont know the score with a Jag must be easier to find a doner car.
Most up to date BIVA draft here , BIG download ,249 pages.
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/cr...-Cars-V3.2....
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/cr...-Cars-V3.2....
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