The mythical Jaguar XJ13
Discussion
jagdrag92 said:
I think you are confused with projects here - the 'Saturday Club' where responsible for building XJ220 some 20+ years later than XJ13... XJ13 was a fully sanctioned official project to design a new Le Mans car for the 1965 or 1966 race. It used Competition Dept. and other staff on an official day-to-day basis..
Perhaps you need to read Peter Wilson's comprehensive new book on the XJ13 due out in November He was one of the project team working on the car in the 1960s.
Thats christmas sorted then!Perhaps you need to read Peter Wilson's comprehensive new book on the XJ13 due out in November He was one of the project team working on the car in the 1960s.
NevSwales said:
Yes, it is certainly possible it was changed.
Although I was only the second owner of the car there were signs the body was "restored" (brown quilted vinyl ... luvverly ...) One addition made by the previous owner was a little beautifully-trimmed cubby hole hidden under the passenger seat. When I stripped the car for its first restoration I found it contained a handful of condoms still in their wrappers - presumably 1960's vintage.... do you know of any contraceptelists who may be interested in adding them to their collection?
I bet someone, somewhere does collect them!Although I was only the second owner of the car there were signs the body was "restored" (brown quilted vinyl ... luvverly ...) One addition made by the previous owner was a little beautifully-trimmed cubby hole hidden under the passenger seat. When I stripped the car for its first restoration I found it contained a handful of condoms still in their wrappers - presumably 1960's vintage.... do you know of any contraceptelists who may be interested in adding them to their collection?
Graham-P said:
When JD classics in Maldon had their Sunday breakfast a couple of Sundays ago, they had an XJ13 roped off with a plaque on it just saying "Factory Car" unfortunately I didn't have my camera on me 
A little naughty of JD Classics Graham if they labelled their car as a "Factory Car"! The car they have is a Bryan Wingfield replica - albeit with an original quad-cam engine put together from a collection of parts left over at the end of the project. Although it is well put together it is essentially "GT40" under the skin and the body shape is best described as an "approximation" of the XJ13.JD Classics certainly have some wonderful cars on display and in their garage and prepare/race some amazing classic machinery. They are very skilled engineers/restorers and their Sunday Breakfasts are "must-visit" events for classic enthusiasts.
williamp said:
jagdrag92 said:
I think you are confused with projects here - the 'Saturday Club' where responsible for building XJ220 some 20+ years later than XJ13... XJ13 was a fully sanctioned official project to design a new Le Mans car for the 1965 or 1966 race. It used Competition Dept. and other staff on an official day-to-day basis..
Perhaps you need to read Peter Wilson's comprehensive new book on the XJ13 due out in November He was one of the project team working on the car in the 1960s.
Thats christmas sorted then!Perhaps you need to read Peter Wilson's comprehensive new book on the XJ13 due out in November He was one of the project team working on the car in the 1960s.
A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
KDIcarmad said:
You are right about the XJ13 being a full works project and the XJ220 being a Saturday Club creation. The mistake here may come from the XJ13 being smuggled out of the facture for test runs. This could have been done by a group like the Saturday Club.
A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
Sorry but this is complete nonsense and I couldn't let it pass! Is this a wind-up?A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
No moulds were ever taken off the XJ13, no non-running static cars were ever made, there was no 4 litre V8 intended for Can-Am racing and the XJ13 was never cited as an inspiration for the XJ220.
Wrong, wrong, wrong ....
XJ13 said:
KDIcarmad said:
You are right about the XJ13 being a full works project and the XJ220 being a Saturday Club creation. The mistake here may come from the XJ13 being smuggled out of the facture for test runs. This could have been done by a group like the Saturday Club.
A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
Sorry but this is complete nonsense and I couldn't let it pass! Is this a wind-up?A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
No moulds were ever taken off the XJ13, no non-running static cars were ever made, there was no 4 litre V8 intended for Can-Am racing and the XJ13 was never cited as an inspiration for the XJ220.
Wrong, wrong, wrong ....
KDIcarmad said:
XJ13 said:
KDIcarmad said:
You are right about the XJ13 being a full works project and the XJ220 being a Saturday Club creation. The mistake here may come from the XJ13 being smuggled out of the facture for test runs. This could have been done by a group like the Saturday Club.
A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
Sorry but this is complete nonsense and I couldn't let it pass! Is this a wind-up?A know someone who worked at factory in the late from the late 60's to mid 70's. They remember the XJ13 having a mould take off it. This was intended to used to create static, none running, cars for pr use. There is a myth that one of these became the starting point for the XJ220. The myth claims this was fitted with a 4 liter V8 (possible based the Daimler V8 engine which when use in drag racing put out over a 800bhp) and was intended for Can-Am racing. It never race, but did it inspire the XJ220?
No moulds were ever taken off the XJ13, no non-running static cars were ever made, there was no 4 litre V8 intended for Can-Am racing and the XJ13 was never cited as an inspiration for the XJ220.
Wrong, wrong, wrong ....
An interesting listing on eBay - http://tinyurl.com/6kbbw6p
Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
XJ13 said:
An interesting listing on eBay - http://tinyurl.com/6kbbw6p
Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
If that isn't being bid up I've got an XJ13. Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
mph said:
XJ13 said:
An interesting listing on eBay - http://tinyurl.com/6kbbw6p
Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
If that isn't being bid up I've got an XJ13. Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
A quick update ...
Started to put together a "trial XJ13 monocoque". The plan is to build a complete monocoque in steel before putting it aside and building the "real" one in the rather more expensive original-spec sheet aluminium.
The beauty of doing it in steel first is that we can be certain all the details/suspension mounting-points etc are correct before we commit to making an all-aluminium one. I will end up with a surplus all-steel monocoque/chassis; I really don't know what I will do with it yet - any ideas? It will be a bit too big for a living-room ornament
Here is a pic of the monocoque former and some of the beginnings of the steel "trial monocoque":
When you see the basic sills/floor in the flesh, the width of the sills and just how cramped the cockpit seating area is really becomes apparent. If you look at pictures of the original rebuilt car you can see just how tightly-packed and narrow the seats are. Perhaps I should lay off the chips and beer for a while ....
The rebuilt original:
Started to put together a "trial XJ13 monocoque". The plan is to build a complete monocoque in steel before putting it aside and building the "real" one in the rather more expensive original-spec sheet aluminium.
The beauty of doing it in steel first is that we can be certain all the details/suspension mounting-points etc are correct before we commit to making an all-aluminium one. I will end up with a surplus all-steel monocoque/chassis; I really don't know what I will do with it yet - any ideas? It will be a bit too big for a living-room ornament
Here is a pic of the monocoque former and some of the beginnings of the steel "trial monocoque":
When you see the basic sills/floor in the flesh, the width of the sills and just how cramped the cockpit seating area is really becomes apparent. If you look at pictures of the original rebuilt car you can see just how tightly-packed and narrow the seats are. Perhaps I should lay off the chips and beer for a while ....
The rebuilt original:
XJ13 said:
A quick update ...
I really don't know what I will do with it yet - any ideas? It will be a bit too big for a living-room ornament
Surely that is just a question of finding a collector with a bigger living roomI really don't know what I will do with it yet - any ideas? It will be a bit too big for a living-room ornament
(and probably a bachelor too)
great update.
(talking of updates - I think my XK is due to move back from the painters to the Winspeed to be re-united with its engine today.)
XJ13 said:
An interesting listing on eBay - http://tinyurl.com/6kbbw6p
Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
If that is the real one then the photo has been reversed as the real car is rhd.Already at £55,600 and still not enough!
Particularly surprising as the car made using these moulds is a rather poor replica of the XJ13. Judge for yourself:
Replica
Real Deal
Jagmanv12 said:
If that is the real one then the photo has been reversed as the real car is rhd.
Look again Jagman - I do admit it can look like lhd sometimes because the sills are so wide but the photo is the right way round. A giveaway is the fact the windscreen wiper is on the rhs.Just out of interest (well .... of interest to a XJ13-nerd like me 
) ...
... in 1964 Jaguar considered using titanium for the XJ13 chassis/monocoque. I wondered if anyone else actually did so in the 1960s?
I posted a little more info here Jaguar XJ13 - Building the Legend
) ...... in 1964 Jaguar considered using titanium for the XJ13 chassis/monocoque. I wondered if anyone else actually did so in the 1960s?
I posted a little more info here Jaguar XJ13 - Building the Legend
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