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XitUp
7,690 posts
73 months
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Nowt wrong with pushrods.
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radlet6
736 posts
43 months
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Flying Phil said: Finally found this thread and I seem to have two cars that fit. My little frogeye with its Rover V8 can have the SU's and look fairly innocent. Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url]  |http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8 [/url][url]  |http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY [/url]  My other Classic is the Alfa Romeo Sprint. This was the coupe version of the Alfasud and initially had a 1350 flat four boxer driving the front wheels - then they went to 1500cc and finally 1700cc. However Autodelta built a few with a rear 2.5 litre V6 driving the rear wheels (Sprint 6C). So that was my inspiration. [url]  |http://thumbsnap.com/OKui38iE [/url]  Sir you are a legend. Have spent a little while reading about the Alfa build on the Alfa forum. There are some that could have attempted this; but few that could have completed it. But to finish it for less than 2 grand? Amazing. One question. How the hell did you get the rear suspensuon geometry right?
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Flying Phil
96 posts
14 months
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radlet6 said: Sir you are a legend. Have spent a little while reading about the Alfa build on the Alfa forum. There are some that could have attempted this; but few that could have completed it. But to finish it for less than 2 grand? Amazing.
One question. How the hell did you get the rear suspensuon geometry right? Thank you. The rear geometry is as per the 164 Alfa as I used the complete subframe with its lower pick up points to the Macpherson strut. The top of the struts are located in the inner wings from the 164 but they are positioned slightly narrower in the Sprint to give a bit of negative camber. The steering rack has been locked to prevent any rear steering and provide adjustable toe in if needed.
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chevy-stu
4,728 posts
97 months
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Flying Phil said: chevy-stu said: Probably a clever trick to see if you can grasp backward and illogical Italian vehicle design. Ouch! a bit of a sweeping generalisation considering the design of american cars of the same era..... Cast iron blocks, pushrod operated valves etc compared to Alloy blocks, DOHC engines 4 valve heads etc. As for Italian body shapes - the cars as well...... Haha.. I agree, some proper ball's ups in many US cars.. I've nearly bought Italian cars a few times (I was actually looking for a series 2 Alfa Spider when I ended up buying my curent Camaro) but never happened somehow. I've done some work on friends cars, and my dad had loads of various Lancias (Delta, Beta, Gamma's) and they are tough to get you're head around IMO. Mind you, current E60 BMW is a proper mindwarp, to replace just the air filter you have to remove: - Engine cover - bulkhead covers - AC filters & sensor - strut brace - MAF and air inlet hose - Air filter housing cover.. (stupid car...  ..) Nowt' wrong with pushrods too  - various connectors
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Flying Phil
96 posts
14 months
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Hi Stu Certainly the Italian approach to electrics is - shall we say - ad hoc! 
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jellison
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146 months
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radlet6
736 posts
43 months
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Flying Phil said: radlet6 said: Sir you are a legend. Have spent a little while reading about the Alfa build on the Alfa forum. There are some that could have attempted this; but few that could have completed it. But to finish it for less than 2 grand? Amazing.
One question. How the hell did you get the rear suspensuon geometry right? Thank you. The rear geometry is as per the 164 Alfa as I used the complete subframe with its lower pick up points to the Macpherson strut. The top of the struts are located in the inner wings from the 164 but they are positioned slightly narrower in the Sprint to give a bit of negative camber. The steering rack has been locked to prevent any rear steering and provide adjustable toe in if needed. Even so, you don't just cut a piece from an Alfa 164, weld it in and hope for the best.
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Flying Phil
96 posts
14 months
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radlet6 said: Even so, you don't just cut a piece from an Alfa 164, weld it in and hope for the best. Well there was a fair amount of thinking and planning - then I did measure, check, measure again before welding then measure and check after welding. Shorter stiffer springs are used as well and it rides very nicely.
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VetteG
3,111 posts
113 months
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jellison said: Bloody Hell, they didn't half hold you on the line a long time! G
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jellison
12,630 posts
146 months
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VetteG said: jellison said: Bloody Hell, they didn't half hold you on the line a long time! G That your first thought! Mine was - who needs a V8 (all in front had 'em) 
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Chunkychucky
3,928 posts
38 months
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jellison said: That sounds absolutely awesome.. Jellison, how come all of a sudden 200 series Griffs are running huge flared wheelarches in FIA spec when 5 or so years ago they weren't as big?
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VetteG
3,111 posts
113 months
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jellison said: hat your first thought! Mine was - who needs a V8 (all in front had 'em) Which might be why they were in front! 
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jellison
12,630 posts
146 months
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VetteG said: jellison said: hat your first thought! Mine was - who needs a V8 (all in front had 'em) Which might be why they were in front! Er no, all 7 in front of me quallied on wets (I stupidly did not bring mine), but race was dry. I had fastest lap by a Big margin. In the Dry I have expected to be in top 3-4. That thing does scream Long story about Griff arches - how long have you got! Needless to say mine is not current fia shape (I am using the style rear arches they have been allowed to run for the last 15-20 years - but now can't - all complete b  ks!) - but could be changed.
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stewy68
1,626 posts
112 months
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Flying Phil said: Finally found this thread and I seem to have two cars that fit. My little frogeye with its Rover V8 can have the SU's and look fairly innocent. Or I can run the quad downdraft IDAs with 6" rampipes![url] |http://thumbsnap.com/N8to4yD8 [/url][url] |http://thumbsnap.com/JnCPB9vY [/url] My other Classic is the Alfa Romeo Sprint. This was the coupe version of the Alfasud and initially had a 1350 flat four boxer driving the front wheels - then they went to 1500cc and finally 1700cc. However Autodelta built a few with a rear 2.5 litre V6 driving the rear wheels (Sprint 6C). So that was my inspiration. [url] |http://thumbsnap.com/OKui38iE [/url] I think I just found my dream car. That Alfa is stunning!
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Flying Phil
96 posts
14 months
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stewy68 said: I think I just found my dream car. That Alfa is stunning! Thanks Stewy - the photographs flatter! However the car will be out on Sunday at my local show (Sharnbrook Classics).....and the sun may be shining 
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braddo
2,987 posts
57 months
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On a similar theme to the 'Sud V6 check out the Giocattolo V8s that were produced in Australia in the 80s. 
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Flying Phil
96 posts
14 months
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braddo said: On a similar theme to the 'Sud V6 check out the Giocattolo V8s that were produced in Australia in the 80s. Here is a picture of the Giocattolo (Mid mount Holden V8) and one of the Sprint 6C (Mid mount longitudinal V6)  
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twin cam mark
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13 months
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chevy-stu
4,728 posts
97 months
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Flying Phil said: Here is a picture of the Giocattolo (Mid mount Holden V8) and one of the Sprint 6C (Mid mount longitudinal V6) |http://thumbsnap.com/BrmoWDkQ[/url] Liking both of them
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Chunkychucky
3,928 posts
38 months
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Chunkychucky said: jellison said: That sounds absolutely awesome.. Jellison, how come all of a sudden 200 series Griffs are running huge flared wheelarches in FIA spec when 5 or so years ago they weren't as big? ..or were they always running the same big bodies?
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