Classics left to die/rotting pics

[tbc]

Local indy near me has has a Yellow lotus Espirit sitting for 3 years.

Ask about it today and the owner has apparently just given up on it. Parts came too high a price and the owner can't afford to fix it.

Has a 3 digit numberplate aswell.

The owner doesn't want to lose it and the indy garage doesn't want to scrap it.

[100 IAN]

[100 IAN]

Stumbled across these in Glendale, Utah earlier today. Very amiable owner said very welcome to look but don't touch. The better ones he's keeping but others might possibly be for sale................

PM me if you want his details.

[tali1]

530dTPhil said:

I was going to post a similar message about them not being LTs but checked before doing so. According to DVLA, this particular version was registered as an LT 45.

Is that a paid for/subscription check?

[530dTPhil]

Yes it's one that we have used for years; cost is around 20 pence per enquiry.

Very little used these days as we have an integrated process which delivers the same information for 6 pence per enquiry. Big difference when you run thousands of enquiries per month.

[SilverSixer]

Couldn't get any closer, flat tyres and moss growing on ground around it:

[lotus72]

spotted this 81 (?) Mini round the corner from me. It's not been taxed in ages. Was thinking of putting a note on it, but the guy has obviously started a 'restoration'; there's no front bumper, half the dashboard it missing and there's no carpets.

I was thinking of offering him £350, what do you think?


click on pic for bigger image.

[Hugo a Gogo]

530dTPhil said:

I was going to post a similar message about them not being LTs but checked before doing so. According to DVLA, this particular version was registered as an LT 45.

DVLA have something wrong? unbelievable!

LT was a front engined 'normal' truck (well, a range of trucks - the numbers denoting the gross weight), those pictured are rear engined T3s

Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Friday 8th August 16:19

[eccles]

lotus72 said:

spotted this 81 (?) Mini round the corner from me. It's not been taxed in ages. Was thinking of putting a note on it, but the guy has obviously started a 'restoration'; there's no front bumper, half the dashboard it missing and there's no carpets.

I was thinking of offering him £350, what do you think?


click on pic for bigger image.

The rear bumper alone is worth a fair chunk of the price you're offering!

[storminnorman]

Passed a very rotten looking X1/9 on a flatbed, eastbound on the A5 yesterday - anyone else see it? Was stuffed with parts so maybe on the way to some TLC.
I also saw that mossy yellow Audi S2 that was on ebay, trailered southbound on the M46.
Good day for buying projects, then!

[DickyC]

eccles said:

The rear bumper alone is worth a fair chunk of the price you're offering!

When I started selling some bits for a MkII Mini, I was pissed about by a guy on eBay and stopped. They're still in the garage. Bumper included. Will I be able to sell them and retire?

[edgyedgy]

RichB said:

Generally recognised terms used by the respective clubs are; Veteran is pre World War 1 and further classified as pre-1905 i.e. eligible for the London to Brighton Veteran Car Run and Edwardian veteran cars (which are not). Vintage Cars are those built in the period from after World War One to 1930. After that they are generally known as Pre-War (WWII obviously). Post WWII would, I guess, be Thoroughbred and Classic cars. Historic is also a classification used on registration discs

thanks I wasn't aware of how classifications worked.very interesting and had never come across cars being tagged as thoroughbreds before.

[nicanary]

edgyedgy said:

RichB said:

Generally recognised terms used by the respective clubs are; Veteran is pre World War 1 and further classified as pre-1905 i.e. eligible for the London to Brighton Veteran Car Run and Edwardian veteran cars (which are not). Vintage Cars are those built in the period from after World War One to 1930. After that they are generally known as Pre-War (WWII obviously). Post WWII would, I guess, be Thoroughbred and Classic cars. Historic is also a classification used on registration discs

thanks I wasn't aware of how classifications worked.very interesting and had never come across cars being tagged as thoroughbreds before.

The VSCC acknowledge certain marques and models from 1931 to 1939 as Post-Vintage Thoroughbred. This would include such cars as Lagonda, Alvis and Aston Martin, which were built after the cut-off date, but were to the quality and spirit of the Vintage years. The VSCC was established to maintain the sporting ethos of years prior to unitary construction and mass-production.

There is no real acknowledged definition of a class post-WW2. IMHO a classic car is something that set class standards. Unfortunately this excludes most everyday family cars. It's impossible to define "classic" for the purposes of this thread.

[RichB]

nicanary said:

It's impossible to define "classic" for the purposes of this thread.

Totally agree. My aim was to clarify Vintage and Veteran out of interest really.

Incidentally, there's another thread somewhere about Christian Horner's AC Cobra where the journalist refers to it as his "vintage" car. Given that writing is their trade I can only assume they are lazy and crap at what they do given that all the information is available so easily these days.

[nicanary]

RichB said:

nicanary said:

It's impossible to define "classic" for the purposes of this thread.

Totally agree. My aim was to clarify Vintage and Veteran out of interest really.

Incidentally, there's another thread somewhere about Christian Horner's AC Cobra where the journalist refers to it as his "vintage" car. Given that writing is their trade I can only assume they are lazy and crap at what they do given that all the information is available so easily these days.

The Americans call all cars over about 10 years old "vintage" - they don't use the set definitions that we have in the UK. Historic racing in the US is named vintage racing. Poor b"ggers don't have any history like us.

[Roy C]

MSA Blue Book dates:
Veteran = before 1 Jan 1905
Edwardian = 1 Jan 1905 - 31 Dec 1918
Vintage = 1 Jan 1919 - 31 Dec 1930
PVT (Post Vintage Thoroughbred) = 1 Jan 1931 - 31 Dec 1940 - by selection
(The PVT list has changed over the years, so that now even certain Wardour Street Bentleys and Soda Squirts have joined the list )

I imagine that they arrived at those particular dates thus: "Veteran" & "Edwardian" dates are those used by the VCC and "Vintage" & "PVT" by the VSCC. So they only really apply to those clubs and Motorsport in the UK.

American definitions:
Veteran Era = from the invention of the automobile up to 1890.
Brass Era = 1890 to 1918.
Horseless Carriage era = "any pioneer gas, steam and electric motor vehicle built or manufactured prior to January 1, 1916" – defined by The Horseless Carriage Club of America (HCCA).
Antique era = from the invention of the automobile up to 1920 or prior to World War 1.
Vintage Era = 1920 to 1930.

Edited by Roy C on Sunday 10th August 19:14

[eccles]

DickyC said:

eccles said:

The rear bumper alone is worth a fair chunk of the price you're offering!

When I started selling some bits for a MkII Mini, I was pissed about by a guy on eBay and stopped. They're still in the garage. Bumper included. Will I be able to sell them and retire?

Clubman rear bumpers were also used on the front of Mini specials. I've not been around minis for a few years, but clubman rear bumpers weren't being reproduced, and used to sell for well north of £100 in good condition.

[Electron]

Ha !!! The red XR2 is my brothers .... this should humiliate him into finishing it off !!!

He's owned it from new. We both hillclimbed it at Gurston Down.

The interior is being cleaned and in the garage ... sorry not quite left to die but close ...

Step forward Status for the Hall of Shame award ..

[Elderly]

[RichB]

Elderly said:

A Bentley in a garage. Is it left to die, certainly doesn't appear to be rotting.