Help Facel Vega, Facel 2

[Hooli]

bosscerbera said:

Bob CD said:

PS: Can anyone explain to me why page 14 fits my computer and page 15 doesn't?

It's the uploaded photos.

Or multiquotes (do we have any on this thread?) a quoted quote makes the page wider as each quote is offset & then shown at it's original width.

[tonyvid]

dinkel said:

http://classiccarhunter.com/2009/02/needs-completi...

A Touring by the look of it.

[theadman]

Painting of my car is now almost complete...should have the body and chassis in the same location next week. It will be the first time in two years!

I'm hoping the task of putting the car back together will move somewhat quicker than the rest of the project has done - but is this wishful thinking?

[facelman]

theadman said:

Painting of my car is now almost complete...should have the body and chassis in the same location next week. It will be the first time in two years!

I'm hoping the task of putting the car back together will move somewhat quicker than the rest of the project has done - but is this wishful thinking?

Sadly it is probably wishful thinking.I wish you the very best of luck.Remember that I still have several tons of new parts for facel.You may need some of them.

[RichB]

theadman said:

Painting of my car is now almost complete...

Out of interest, do they paint the insterior, engine bay, boot etc. before this stage or afterwards?

[facelman]

RichB said:

Out of interest, do they paint the insterior, engine bay, boot etc. before this stage or afterwards?

Very little of the internal areas were painted on facels.Had they been so painted perhaps they might have rusted less.Most of the boot area was covered in a black covered felt.This was glued to the unpainted inner parts of the boot.The inside of the boot lid was usually painted.The underside of the car was sprayed with "blaxon" an early form of underseal.This did little more than hold in moisture the better to cause rust.

[theadman]

Hi RichB

All the internal areas (engine bay, interior, boot) were painted first. The floor was also 'red leaded' on the inside. Then the opening panels were painted and finally the external body. That way you ensure that there is no overspray on the most visible areas. The underneath and wheel arches all have modern protection, then paint and will also be 'waxoyled'.

John, you'll be please to know we did paint the boot floor...and you're absolutely right there was no paint under the original rubber matting. Helpfully, the factory thought to include some sound deadening just to make absolutely sure as much moisture was absorbed as possible!!

No wonder the bottom half of HK500s usually disappear over time!

There are bound to be some parts missing, particularly as the car has moved locations four times whilst it has been in pieces. I just hope they correspond with the 'several tons' that you have John!!

Thanks for the interest.

[RichB]

Thanks for the detail Adman, facinating thread chaps keep it up. I love reading about these rar, exotic, European cars. Somehow so much more interesting than the obvious Ferrari rebuilds

[facelman]

theadman said:

Hi RichB

All the internal areas (engine bay, interior, boot) were painted first. The floor was also 'red leaded' on the inside. Then the opening panels were painted and finally the external body. That way you ensure that there is no overspray on the most visible areas. The underneath and wheel arches all have modern protection, then paint and will also be 'waxoyled'.

John, you'll be please to know we did paint the boot floor...and you're absolutely right there was no paint under the original rubber matting. Helpfully, the factory thought to include some sound deadening just to make absolutely sure as much moisture was absorbed as possible!!

No wonder the bottom half of HK500s usually disappear over time!

There are bound to be some parts missing, particularly as the car has moved locations four times whilst it has been in pieces. I just hope they correspond with the 'several tons' that you have John!!

Thanks for the interest.

You DID paint the boot floor? Oh dear so not a very acurate restoration then? If it does not go rusty within two years it wont be very authentic ! Well done.I hope you have made the cill trims in stainless or at the very least put some clever material between the aluminium cill trims and the steel cills.Aluminium and steel + water and salt off the road....

[theadman]

Thanks John. Very good point!! I've got new trims from Hans Ruhe...must check to see, but I think they are ribbed aluminium!

Any ideas what material would be a good barrier (and not hold moisture) please?

[facelman]

theadman said:

Thanks John. Very good point!! I've got new trims from Hans Ruhe...must check to see, but I think they are ribbed aluminium!

Any ideas what material would be a good barrier (and not hold moisture) please?

John Ball in calais did a nice line in new stainless steel ribbed trims....

[facelman]

theadman said:

Thanks John. Very good point!! I've got new trims from Hans Ruhe...must check to see, but I think they are ribbed aluminium!

Any ideas what material would be a good barrier (and not hold moisture) please?

A good thick coat of the modern anti stone paint would probably be best,then waxoyld

[theadman]

Thanks Facelman. There'll be plenty of waxoyl in there for sure.

[Facelvega]

Friday 13th January
Has anybody done anything with HK500 wiring looms- I may be looking to make one if there is no other option.

Peter


Hi Spellbound, I have just been on the German Facel Vega Club site. They have looms for HK500's on there, new for sale. I'm not sure if they are left or right. We made mine from scratch and I wouldn't like to do it again in a hurry! Good luck!

[williamp]

In case you havent seen, next months Classic and sportscar magazine (no idea on the month as they work so far in advance- July 2012? Jan 2016?? NOT with the Mk2 Jag on the front anyhow) will have an article on a Facel II being driven from London to Paris (EYY 140B)

[Huntsman]

williamp said:

In case you havent seen, next months Classic and sportscar magazine (no idea on the month as they work so far in advance- July 2012? Jan 2016?? NOT with the Mk2 Jag on the front anyhow) will have an article on a Facel II being driven from London to Paris (EYY 140B)

I spotted that on the 'next month' page, also, I notice quite often that front page feature cars are on the market with dealers who choose to spend a chunk of their advertising budget in the magazine, funny that...

[a8hex]

Huntsman said:

I spotted that on the 'next month' page, also, I notice quite often that front page feature cars are on the market with dealers who choose to spend a chunk of their advertising budget in the magazine, funny that...

We had just that conversation here last month slagging Octane off because of just that issue.

[facelman]

Clearly no one has anything to say about Facels at the moment ! So I shall mention that I have bought a barn discovery which puts me in a very rare catagory indeed.I am the owner of one of only three known survivors of a french car made only in 1929.They actually made two models and of the three cars mine is the only 5CV.There is of course no club [ english BOC take note ] as one car is apparently in the UK and one may be in germany.My car was still in use by a Baker about 100 KMs from here until the early 1960's.And what is this rarity? A Michel Irat.Named for the director who was put in charge by his father Georges Irat when the family bought the rights to the Last Brasier model.So this car is in fact the last Brasier but licence built for a year under the name Michel Irat[ long enough to use up the remaining spares held by the now defunt Brasier concern.]With four wheel brakes and a pretty little OHV motor and very well made overall but I suspect it would not pull a blackman off your grannie.As with so many french cars after the war,it had I suspect a pickup back made probably in wood for the baker to deliver his bread.but no trace remains today of the rear bodywork.Only the radiator/bonnet and scuttle.I intend eventually to fit an aluminium two or three seat body in the style of the T43 Bugatti.The wheelbase is very similar and the radiator is a similar horsehoe shape.Back to Facels,I have been pooring over the 4M4/5 drawings to help with the assembly of two engines,one for my facel and one for the englishman who bought the facellia on e bay fitted with a Toyota motor [ from the USA ]My friend is not completely mad though as he has also a T35b and T37 Bugatti.

[uk66fastback]

a8hex said:

Huntsman said:

I spotted that on the 'next month' page, also, I notice quite often that front page feature cars are on the market with dealers who choose to spend a chunk of their advertising budget in the magazine, funny that...

We had just that conversation here last month slagging Octane off because of just that issue.

With ad spend in print publishing generally down across the board, advertisers can broker a much better deal than they could. Once the cover wa the preserve of editorial only, but that doesn't apply any more. We changed the colour of one of our cover logos last year on a sponsored issue ...

[Spellbound]

Our HK500 is starting to take shape a bit now, we have made a boot floor and ribs, both floorpans, again with all the ribs, rear footwells, inner and outer sills,rear panel and boot lip,and we are just into making a door skin. Busy busy! anyone that wishes to drop by to Farnham for a look and a coffee is very welcome.

Peter