Time for a regime change? N. Korea....
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia
Sensible debate please - what would happen if the US decided to take military action? How would the N Korean people respond? Would they ultimately welcome it? How difficult would it be to effect a regime change? Should N Korea be allowed to develop a nuclear capability? What would happen if they did?
Sensible debate please - what would happen if the US decided to take military action? How would the N Korean people respond? Would they ultimately welcome it? How difficult would it be to effect a regime change? Should N Korea be allowed to develop a nuclear capability? What would happen if they did?
Edited by alexkp on Thursday 5th October 09:14
ewenm said:
It'd be at least as difficult as Iraq and we/they haven't managed to effect regime change there yet.
Exactly. They should properly finish what they started in Iraq and Afghanistan before they start tackling North Korea, Iran, Syria...
They're certainly picking themselves a lot of fights!
paulie-mafia said:
ewenm said:
It'd be at least as difficult as Iraq and we/they haven't managed to effect regime change there yet.
Exactly. They should properly finish what they started in Iraq and Afghanistan before they start tackling North Korea, Iran, Syria...
They're certainly picking themselves a lot of fights!
Hmmm... What gives us the right to change regimes cos we don't like them?
I'm sure lots of countries would like to see regime change here, but we would react accordingly if anyone tried, which is what is happening in countries where we have tried it. All this global police crap pisses me off, we have no right to mess in other countries and if we do I think we forfit the right to moan when people decide to try an mess here.
Maybe the place does need a change in leadership, I don't know. What I do know though is that I'd far rather let the North Koreans get on with it and effect a coup of some sort than go charging in with the Yanks trying to be the World Police. Again.
edit - curse my slow fingers...what all they said
edit - curse my slow fingers...what all they said
Edited by Graham@Reading on Thursday 5th October 09:40
Despite the war drums from the far east..the US seems fixated with Iran...there`s bugger all worth having out in NK unlike Iran ,and I bet Bush is hoping Japan & China will `sort it out` with US assisted strikes on the hotspots...the only issue would be running it by the UN and the electorate ...which has never stopped him before..
Edited by F.M on Thursday 5th October 09:40
twit said:
paulie-mafia said:
ewenm said:
It'd be at least as difficult as Iraq and we/they haven't managed to effect regime change there yet.
Exactly. They should properly finish what they started in Iraq and Afghanistan before they start tackling North Korea, Iran, Syria...
They're certainly picking themselves a lot of fights!
Hmmm... What gives us the right to change regimes cos we don't like them?
I'm sure lots of countries would like to see regime change here, but we would react accordingly if anyone tried, which is what is happening in countries where we have tried it. All this global police crap pisses me off, we have no right to mess in other countries and if we do I think we forfit the right to moan when people decide to try an mess here.
Good post. Iraq is a fine example. Saddam was a Dictator, he tortured his people, he oppressed them , oooh, ahhhh, woooo. So we remove him and look at the mess that we replace him with. Just yesterday I heard about a police force in Iraq who 'were being sent back to training' because they were co-operating with death squads.
You know, Saddam might not have done things nicely, but at least he was effective, and the US are no different to Saddam except they outsource their torturing.
twit said:
paulie-mafia said:
ewenm said:
It'd be at least as difficult as Iraq and we/they haven't managed to effect regime change there yet.
Exactly. They should properly finish what they started in Iraq and Afghanistan before they start tackling North Korea, Iran, Syria...
They're certainly picking themselves a lot of fights!
Hmmm... What gives us the right to change regimes cos we don't like them?
I'm sure lots of countries would like to see regime change here, but we would react accordingly if anyone tried, which is what is happening in countries where we have tried it. All this global police crap pisses me off, we have no right to mess in other countries and if we do I think we forfit the right to moan when people decide to try an mess here.
I agree with that to a point. I'm a firm believer in action where necessary, ie, should we (or an ally) be threatened to the point where it is highly likely that some kind of attack will take place.
What I don't agree with is the likes of America or one of the other super powers giving themselves a title of 'global police' and attempting to change every regime they don't like.
At this stage I would strongly disagree with any pre-emptive action against NK.
On the face of it, you'd think that the North Korean people would welcome the removal of their dictator, and as such, receive any liberating force with open arms.
If (we?) went in and took out the little nutter, imagine if general opinion changed - if you thought Iraq was a long-term mess....
Either way, with Iraq, Afghanistan and potentially Iran, I don't believe that America has the resources to mount an operation in North Korea.
That's without taking into account NK's nuclear capability....
If (we?) went in and took out the little nutter, imagine if general opinion changed - if you thought Iraq was a long-term mess....
Either way, with Iraq, Afghanistan and potentially Iran, I don't believe that America has the resources to mount an operation in North Korea.
That's without taking into account NK's nuclear capability....
It really pisses me off the way the US dictates to other countries what they should or should not do. They need to realise that they only represent about 5% of the worlds population, and sooner or later their economic dominance is going to be challenged.
I think the world should collectively stick two fingers up at Bush, and tell him where to get off.
I think the world should collectively stick two fingers up at Bush, and tell him where to get off.
swilly said:
twit said:
hmmm... What gives us the right to change regimes cos we don't like them?
Big sticks and lots of them
That's the means, not the right.
What's life like in NK? Are the people "oppressed"? What's the standard of living like? As far as I can tell, it's the nuclear weapons the world is objecting to, not the treatment of the people.
tinman0 said:
Dakkon said:
There are a hell of a lot more N.Korean's to fight back, could get very messy might turn out like the last time.
i cant see the people of north korea fighting back. they know they've got a pretty wretched life. a liberator is going to have a pretty easy job.
Everyone said that about Iraq. As it happens, the insurgents or whatever they're called have killed far more Coalition soldiers since the 'war' ended than the Iraqi army did.
Edit: and proved to be a FAR greater problem.
Edited by Phil Hopkins on Thursday 5th October 10:00
tinman0 said:
i cant see the people of north korea fighting back. they know they've got a pretty wretched life. a liberator is going to have a pretty easy job.
You could have (and probably did) said the same thing about Iraq.
Wacky Racer said:
I am sure I read somewhere that Seoul (South Korea) possibly could be hit by a retalitory strike of 500,000 carefully concealed (many underground) conventional shells in the first hour if the US launched a pre-emptive strike on North Korea....
And you just *know* they would, they're itching to blow South Korea to kingdom come, and wind of a US pre-emptive strike would be more than enough motive
Nah, we'll never touch North Korea. The fact that they have (even if it's flawed) nuclear capability and scenario's such as the one described above dictates that.
Edited by ApexJimi on Thursday 5th October 10:07
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