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What has happened to the BBC? What used to be a genuine public service broadcasting giant has become a trivialised, dumbed-down parody of ITV and all the other nonsense channels driven by advertising. The BBC is given huge gobs of our cash, and yet do not seem to feel they have any responsibility to broadcast thoughtful, thought-provoking or even remotely interesting programming which might educate or entertain, or even God forbid, do both!
Even if only one person watches a BBC programme, does it really matter as they have no advertising revenue to chase, and ratings wars are just about smug self-satisfied TV executives preening themselves. Surely the BBC should still be an independent organisation, dedicated to improving educational and intellectual standards? Why are they scared of appearing intelligent? Watching BBC programmes in the main is like watching your granny getting pissed - faintly amusing but really rather embarrassing. With no need to attract advertising income, why does the BBC feel it has to compete with tacky reality TV and low-grade gameshows, as well as going into their corporate shell by sticking to tried-and-tested nature programming and bloody food/antiques/decorating pap? Part of the reason why Britain is in a mess is the lack of cultural direction and moral leadership. Surely part of the BBC's remit is to provide just those aspects of cultural welfare?
Plus, I want to kick sneery-faced Huw fecking Edwards right in the mouth.
Even if only one person watches a BBC programme, does it really matter as they have no advertising revenue to chase, and ratings wars are just about smug self-satisfied TV executives preening themselves. Surely the BBC should still be an independent organisation, dedicated to improving educational and intellectual standards? Why are they scared of appearing intelligent? Watching BBC programmes in the main is like watching your granny getting pissed - faintly amusing but really rather embarrassing. With no need to attract advertising income, why does the BBC feel it has to compete with tacky reality TV and low-grade gameshows, as well as going into their corporate shell by sticking to tried-and-tested nature programming and bloody food/antiques/decorating pap? Part of the reason why Britain is in a mess is the lack of cultural direction and moral leadership. Surely part of the BBC's remit is to provide just those aspects of cultural welfare?
Plus, I want to kick sneery-faced Huw fecking Edwards right in the mouth.
Yep.
I was marking programmes I want to watch tonight and as usual, not one of them was on BBC1. That's the complete opposite of how it used to be.
Whoever runs the BBC must have gone to the same management school as the muppets who run the Post Office. They've lost the plot too (but I see one of them just got £1.2M
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I was marking programmes I want to watch tonight and as usual, not one of them was on BBC1. That's the complete opposite of how it used to be.
Whoever runs the BBC must have gone to the same management school as the muppets who run the Post Office. They've lost the plot too (but I see one of them just got £1.2M
)nubbin. said:
What has happened to the BBC? What used to be a genuine public service broadcasting giant has become a trivialised, dumbed-down parody of ITV and all the other nonsense channels driven by advertising..
I watch the BBC breakfast "News"every morning it is becoming akin to some sort of reality comedy sketch or some sort of Big Brother (1984 type) public brainwashing channel .This morning they sent 3 of the presenters off to a team building course , complete with a hilarous
scene with the 2 men fighting over a bicycle 
and then ,, and then the woman presenter arrived in a Mercedes 
complete with movie star sunglasses 
It was so so funny
I WANT THE 
ING NEWS IN THE MORNING NOT THIS CHILDISH SHITE Simpo Two said:
Whoever runs the BBC must have gone to the same management school as the muppets who run the Post Office. They've lost the plot too (but I see one of them just got £1.2M )
Both of them appear to be being intentionally run into the ground to appease international 'competition' that would kill to have that number of near-captive consumers. Hard to see how us tax-payers benefit from this (to understate a little). )More annoying, at least from the BBC, is the visible pro-government bias in their reporting. I sometimes wonder if Campbell still has their metaphorical balls in a vice...
Marki said:
nubbin. said:
What has happened to the BBC? What used to be a genuine public service broadcasting giant has become a trivialised, dumbed-down parody of ITV and all the other nonsense channels driven by advertising..
I watch the BBC breakfast "News"every morning it is becoming akin to some sort of reality comedy sketch or some sort of Big Brother (1984 type) public brainwashing channel .This morning they sent 3 of the presenters off to a team building course , complete with a hilarous
scene with the 2 men fighting over a bicycle and then ,, and then the woman presenter arrived in a Mercedes complete with movie star sunglasses It was so so funny
I WANT THE ING NEWS IN THE MORNING NOT THIS CHILDISH SHITE 
allnighter said:
Marki said:
nubbin. said:
What has happened to the BBC? What used to be a genuine public service broadcasting giant has become a trivialised, dumbed-down parody of ITV and all the other nonsense channels driven by advertising..
I watch the BBC breakfast "News"every morning it is becoming akin to some sort of reality comedy sketch or some sort of Big Brother (1984 type) public brainwashing channel .This morning they sent 3 of the presenters off to a team building course , complete with a hilarous
scene with the 2 men fighting over a bicycle and then ,, and then the woman presenter arrived in a Mercedes complete with movie star sunglasses It was so so funny
I WANT THE ING NEWS IN THE MORNING NOT THIS CHILDISH SHITE I get up at 6:45 local time so that gives me 15 minutes of News 24 before the
ing Breakfast muppets come on A lot of the populist rubbish has only replaced schedules that were like "Dad's Army" (rpt), "Open All Hours" (rpt) and "Porridge" (rpt) though - watching Arkwright trying to sell ginger cake for the 117th time wasn't exactly quality programming in the first place.
The digital output is a little to blame, I reckon - it seems to be that the "new talent" stuff and documentaries have gone from BBC 2 to BBC 3 and BBC 4 respectively, that space has been filled by the less mainstream stuff that used to be on BBC 1, and the gaps have been plugged by stuff that's cheap to make but popular.
The digital output is a little to blame, I reckon - it seems to be that the "new talent" stuff and documentaries have gone from BBC 2 to BBC 3 and BBC 4 respectively, that space has been filled by the less mainstream stuff that used to be on BBC 1, and the gaps have been plugged by stuff that's cheap to make but popular.
If you look back on previous threads about the BBC and the licence fee, you'll see a lot of people saying how there's nothing on that appeals to them personally and so they don't watch BBTV or listen to BBC radio. They whinge how they're getting nothing for their licence fee.
So, the BBC pander to the masses and try and emulate the popular programme content of their biggest rival - ITV. This in the main is fodder for the intellectually challenged who generally watch more TV than the rest of us.
So, the BBC pander to the masses and try and emulate the popular programme content of their biggest rival - ITV. This in the main is fodder for the intellectually challenged who generally watch more TV than the rest of us.
Marki said:
Thats the problem ,, i only have BBC1 and BBC2 , i did have BBC world but that dissapeared the other week
I get up at 6:45 local time so that gives me 15 minutes of News 24 before theing Breakfast muppets come on
Get up earlier! I get up at 6:45 local time so that gives me 15 minutes of News 24 before the
ing Breakfast muppets come on 
I forgot you are abroad and limited as what you can receive from the UK.Satellite station like Hotbird and ASTRA 19 degrees transmit BBC news24h.
The BBC service ain't perfect but is very valuable IMO.Anything is better than watching commercial stations with blaring
ads every 5 minutes.The Grand Prix springs to mind, and I stopped watching it since it went over to ITV.allnighter said:
Anything is better than watching commercial stations with blaring ads every 5 minutes.The Grand Prix springs to mind, and I stopped watching it since it went over to ITV.
How about: ads every 5 minutes.The Grand Prix springs to mind, and I stopped watching it since it went over to ITV. 'Team managers to all drivers - pull over chaps, the adverts are on. Park up and take a breather'What the controllers don't seem to understand is that there is a market for quality programmes. there are a lot of highly intelligent, articulate and diverse people in Britain, and they do not seem to have any programmes directed at them. I realise that culture vulture stuff is minority programming, but there is an audience who might like some serious programming.
I HATE Eastenders. Not that I watch it, obviously.....
I HATE Eastenders. Not that I watch it, obviously.....
Simpo Two said:
Humphries on Today was trying very hard to paint Cameron as a racist because we don't have to accept non-EU immigrants, and they happen to be a bit blacker than EU ones we can't stop...
BBC "news" IS ok. Their "analysis" is the most biased shite ever on most of their programmes though. I haven't been able to watch "Breakfast" in years...The BBC is a government department, never forget that.
In previous years, its role was to uphold the status of the establishment in the face of populism and controversy from its terrestrial neighbours.
However, since Blair, with his media-savvy ways, got hold of it, it's been about getting the population to be relaxed and unquestioning, whilst toing the government line on things like the environment, taxation and crime.
Occasionally, it gets to let off steam in the form of programmes like Top Gear and Question Time, but not often.
In previous years, its role was to uphold the status of the establishment in the face of populism and controversy from its terrestrial neighbours.
However, since Blair, with his media-savvy ways, got hold of it, it's been about getting the population to be relaxed and unquestioning, whilst toing the government line on things like the environment, taxation and crime.
Occasionally, it gets to let off steam in the form of programmes like Top Gear and Question Time, but not often.
grumbledoak said:
More annoying, at least from the BBC, is the visible pro-government bias in their reporting. I sometimes wonder if Campbell still has their metaphorical balls in a vice...
Really? Just five minutes on the BBC website turns up the following articles that can hardly be said to be pro-Government:Ex-MI6 boss attacks Iraq policy
Cameron hailed over immigration
Smith 'sorry' for migrants error
Cameron marks 'non-election day'
Brown 'spins as much as Blair'
I can never understand why so many people on PH seem to watch the BBC with one eye covered up.
There is cerainly a bias in the way the BBC presents things. It is not necessarily pro-government, but the two often coincide. There is blog that concentrates solely on this subject. The problem is that the BBC reflects the political opinions of many of the people who work there, and it is difficult to see bias if it happens to be similar to your own views.
If I wasn't clear (though tank slapper seems to have understood me), I'll try again.
I didn't mean that they don't report the facts (they could not get away with that, in any case). The bias shows in the manner of presentation - the BBC has a (Guardian/PC -style) liberal bias, and other views are often broadcast with the attitude of 'we have to show the other side, to appear to be fair'. They appear pro-government at the moment, seemingly through a combination of alignment of views and Alistair Campbell's previous threats. They were clearly pretty anti- the conservatives in the past, a stance that served the country better.
Mud?
I didn't mean that they don't report the facts (they could not get away with that, in any case). The bias shows in the manner of presentation - the BBC has a (Guardian/PC -style) liberal bias, and other views are often broadcast with the attitude of 'we have to show the other side, to appear to be fair'. They appear pro-government at the moment, seemingly through a combination of alignment of views and Alistair Campbell's previous threats. They were clearly pretty anti- the conservatives in the past, a stance that served the country better.
Mud?
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