Muslims call for Teddy Teacher to be EXECUTED

[deadslow]

Ordinary Bloke said:

Normally (IMHO) when people go marching in the streets in non-democratic society, there's some payment/pressure/threats behind it.

Do you really think 'Joe Sudan' gives a t0ss what a bear is called?

Someone must be telling them to do this.

Someone should find out who.

PS: Thank god I'm not in government. Thank Allah. And Mohammed. And all the other sacred names. Christ on a bike, what's going on here?

The OP might have said 'some Sudanese nutters call for....' cos that's what it is. No point in insulting all muslims with this nonsense. After all, most of us agree Blair ought not to have invaded Iraq, but I have not yet seen any thread titled 'Christian invasion illegal'.

[ZR1cliff]

groucho said:

ZR1cliff said:

Nickthebassist said:

I was thinking perhaps we should cut off our aid to Sudan perhaps? Kick them where it hurts. I hate religionist extremeists, of ANY religion. I'm hardcore atheist.

Down with the extreme atheists

I don't think you can be a fundamentalist atheist. It's not the same thing, come on, a big guy in the sky? I don't think the antithesis stands.

But say there was a Big guy in the sky,or a Muhammad or what ever they want to call themselves,wouldnt they frown upon the 'man mad religion'that takes the beliefs to extreme,after all its only humans that have taken these beliefs to extremes,seems to me like some of the clerics are actually doing their own God's moderate non violent standards a disservice.
Islam is a non violent belief is it not?.

[petrolhead76]

Donut said:

sorry if it's been said already...

This has just been one the news and it was about 15/20 old boys on donkeys with the odd Sudan dole scum version thrown in!

they where about as threatening as Jeremy Beadles small hand!

They were carrying knives --- never realised Jeremy Beadle was so deadly

[catmartin]

It offends me when 100+ extremists pollute the streets here. But we don't arrest and threaten to behead most of them. Imagine it was your mum out there, you'd be raging.

[groucho]

Raify said:

groucho said:

I don't think you can be a fundamentalist atheist. It's not the same thing, come on, a big guy in the sky? I don't think the antithesis stands.

This reminds me of a Douglas Adams quote:

Douglas Adams said:

I really do not believe that there is a god - in fact I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one. It’s easier to say that I am a radical Atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously.

Come on, it's the 21st century. Throw off these binding shackles. The only reason people hold on to them (in this country) is because they are frightened of their own mortality. "Maybe there is something after" Of course there isn't, get over it. Be what you are meant to be - the most intelligent specie on this planet. Sometimes I do wonder.

[s-w-p]

staceyb said:

I dunno if its already asked as I haven't read the whole thread but why is it ok to call their kids muhammed but not a teddy?

It's all to do with creating or worshipping a false idol, or words to that effect. I'm no expert but I think it's a basic part of the religion (in the same way that Christians have the 10 Commandments etc) - so perhaps the teacher should have known better? But, the kids chose it as an exercise in democracy, at that point maybe she should have reminded them of this "rule" and asked them to consider if it's really appropriate? And before I get jumped on, I'm not saying it's her fault, just that if she's chosen to teach in their country she should have a basic understanding of their do's and don'ts. Those kids may now have learned this lesson, at her expense, but they'll also now think that making death threats is an acceptable way to behave. Sickens me.

It could be said that she got off lightly with only 15 days & deportation, but my worry is that IF she makes it through her 15 days, will she ever be safe? Really? and what of her family? Certainly hope they have some protection sorted.

[SLOWER]

deadslow said:

Ordinary Bloke said:

Normally (IMHO) when people go marching in the streets in non-democratic society, there's some payment/pressure/threats behind it.

Do you really think 'Joe Sudan' gives a t0ss what a bear is called?

Someone must be telling them to do this.

Someone should find out who.

PS: Thank god I'm not in government. Thank Allah. And Mohammed. And all the other sacred names. Christ on a bike, what's going on here?

The OP might have said 'some Sudanese nutters call for....' cos that's what it is. No point in insulting all muslims with this nonsense. After all, most of us agree Blair ought not to have invaded Iraq, but I have not yet seen any thread titled 'Christian invasion illegal'.

Because it was not a Christian invasion, I think you will find Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc,etc were all part of that force.

While all these nutters calling for the execution of a teacher for calling a teddy bear mohammed are all muslim.

Are all muslims nutters, no.

[cromptonenator]

Call me mad, but I believe that while these stories are probably genuine, I think that the press puts them out to revive out intended hatred of Muslim extremists. Take for example, the Saudi 200 lashes Gang Rape case. I can tell you far more horrific rumours and stories about Saudi but they don't all get reported.

[off_again]

Parrot of Doom said:

What incredibly poor journalism. Thanks for highlighting that, so I don't look again.

Absolutely.

I was listening to the radio the other day and heard about this. You know the usual sensationalist rubbish - 'protestors call for execution of teacher'. Anyway, I didn't think too much about this until the drive home on Friday. Rather than listen to some dance music on Radio 1, I stuck on Radio 4. This time the news talked about 'several thousand protestors' and how the 'protest was peaceful' and that 'a handful of extremists were calling for more extreme sentences'. Not quite the extremist mob filling the streets of Kartoom baying for blood that some of the news journalists where trying to indicate.

Not sure who was correct or not, but its enough to illustrate to me that its almost impossible to the truth from our so-called illustrious and independent media outlets....

[SLOWER]

off_again said:

Parrot of Doom said:

What incredibly poor journalism. Thanks for highlighting that, so I don't look again.

Absolutely.

I was listening to the radio the other day and heard about this. You know the usual sensationalist rubbish - 'protestors call for execution of teacher'. Anyway, I didn't think too much about this until the drive home on Friday. Rather than listen to some dance music on Radio 1, I stuck on Radio 4. This time the news talked about 'several thousand protestors' and how the 'protest was peaceful' and that 'a handful of extremists were calling for more extreme sentences'. Not quite the extremist mob filling the streets of Kartoom baying for blood that some of the news journalists where trying to indicate.

Not sure who was correct or not, but its enough to illustrate to me that its almost impossible to the truth from our so-called illustrious and independent media outlets....

Is it all sensationalist rubbish, if muslim nutters can kill innocent women and kids in the London bombings they are capable of anything.

[Don]

cromptonenator said:

Call me mad, but I believe that while these stories are probably genuine, I think that the press puts them out to revive out intended hatred of Muslim extremists.

What?

The press puts out a good story to sell newspapers. Demonstrators brandishing weapons (oh yes - they have the photographs to prove that) make a good story.

They don't care what they "stir up". They don't have to...

[968]

SLOWER said:

off_again said:

Parrot of Doom said:

What incredibly poor journalism. Thanks for highlighting that, so I don't look again.

Absolutely.

I was listening to the radio the other day and heard about this. You know the usual sensationalist rubbish - 'protestors call for execution of teacher'. Anyway, I didn't think too much about this until the drive home on Friday. Rather than listen to some dance music on Radio 1, I stuck on Radio 4. This time the news talked about 'several thousand protestors' and how the 'protest was peaceful' and that 'a handful of extremists were calling for more extreme sentences'. Not quite the extremist mob filling the streets of Kartoom baying for blood that some of the news journalists where trying to indicate.

Not sure who was correct or not, but its enough to illustrate to me that its almost impossible to the truth from our so-called illustrious and independent media outlets....

Is it all sensationalist rubbish, if muslim nutters can kill innocent women and kids in the London bombings they are capable of anything.

Yes, they can be capable of anything, including 2 Muslim peers going to Sudan yesterday, to negotiate the teachers early release. Perhaps they are nutters to go to Sudan, to intercede on her behalf. Or perhaps 'they' are not all nutters. After all, I don't see anyone else going to Sudan to actively secure her release.

[Muntu]

968 said:

SLOWER said:

off_again said:

Parrot of Doom said:

What incredibly poor journalism. Thanks for highlighting that, so I don't look again.

Absolutely.

I was listening to the radio the other day and heard about this. You know the usual sensationalist rubbish - 'protestors call for execution of teacher'. Anyway, I didn't think too much about this until the drive home on Friday. Rather than listen to some dance music on Radio 1, I stuck on Radio 4. This time the news talked about 'several thousand protestors' and how the 'protest was peaceful' and that 'a handful of extremists were calling for more extreme sentences'. Not quite the extremist mob filling the streets of Kartoom baying for blood that some of the news journalists where trying to indicate.

Not sure who was correct or not, but its enough to illustrate to me that its almost impossible to the truth from our so-called illustrious and independent media outlets....

Is it all sensationalist rubbish, if muslim nutters can kill innocent women and kids in the London bombings they are capable of anything.

Yes, they can be capable of anything, including 2 Muslim peers going to Sudan yesterday, to negotiate the teachers early release. Perhaps they are nutters to go to Sudan, to intercede on her behalf. Or perhaps 'they' are not all nutters. After all, I don't see anyone else going to Sudan to actively secure her release.

Probably because the Sudanes wouldn't even consider releasing her if infidels went

[Jasandjules]

Muntu said:

Probably because the Sudanes wouldn't even consider releasing her if infidels went

Indeed. I found it quite odd, and quite frankly insulting that we needed two MUSLIM Lords to go over. What is wrong with any two diplomats??

[968]

Jasandjules said:

Muntu said:

Probably because the Sudanes wouldn't even consider releasing her if infidels went

Indeed. I found it quite odd, and quite frankly insulting that we needed two MUSLIM Lords to go over. What is wrong with any two diplomats??

Well I guess it really is true, damned if u do and damned if you don't.

Perhaps 2 Muslim peers might be in a better position to poin tout how ing ridiculous this is and how nonsensical, religiously, this issue is.

But perhaps they shouldn't do anything at all.....

[alfaman]

Jasandjules said:

Muntu said:

Probably because the Sudanes wouldn't even consider releasing her if infidels went

Indeed. I found it quite odd, and quite frankly insulting that we needed two MUSLIM Lords to go over. What is wrong with any two diplomats??

any other diplomats would be ignored .... the Sudanese Govt will lose less "face" if they concede to a request by other muslims .......whereas they would not want to concede to any demands by imperialist infidels(e.g white folk from the UK Govt )

[petrolhead76]

Don't get why they went across - the lady is out in a few days and they won't get early release so don't see the point.

[Don]

968 said:

Jasandjules said:

Muntu said:

Probably because the Sudanes wouldn't even consider releasing her if infidels went

Indeed. I found it quite odd, and quite frankly insulting that we needed two MUSLIM Lords to go over. What is wrong with any two diplomats??

Well I guess it really is true, damned if u do and damned if you don't.

Perhaps 2 Muslim peers might be in a better position to poin tout how ing ridiculous this is and how nonsensical, religiously, this issue is.

But perhaps they shouldn't do anything at all.....

No. Its good and brave and sensible that they've gone. Good on them for trying. They have my best wishes and my admiration. They may get nowhere but they've got the best chance anyone has.

You see - this issue isn't about Islaam and Christian nations. This issue is about how Sudanese extremists and British nationals view teddy bears. How bonkers is that! Lord Ahmed and the Baroness are British and understand culturally about teddy bears. Maybe they've got a chance of making the point.

All power to 'em, I say.

[Don]

petrolhead76 said:

Don't get why they went across - the lady is out in a few days and they won't get early release so don't see the point.

Its to make sure she gets out alive...

The Sudanese government aren't totally in control of the situation. If they can provide an excuse to release her early and get her out of there I expect the Sudanese government will leap on the chance. The LAST thing they want is her getting harmed (IMO) and there's a real chance of it (IMO). Far safer for everyone for her to be gone before something bad happens and the international situation turns into a real mess.

From such tiny, paltry, pathetic little events great disasters are made. Lets hope we don't get one.

[WildCat]

Don .. on each of your post.. I 100% agree with you. I always agree with you by way. You are most kindred of spirit.

You say what I think in most proper of your most confusing lingo which I find most personal of nightmare to master .. even if Mama hail from lovely Yorkshire Dale originally

But you are saying what I think more or less.

I find it appalling that this woman endure nightmare like this. I THANK MY GOD that I am product of sassiest folk who ask the awkwardest of questions with most positive view of accepting the moral und ethical but judge as go along on rest :wink: But I have the freedom to say so. In that area as a "mere" woman .. I do not. But God created me as a partner to Adam. It was not his fault that my Granny called Eve got all steamed up over some apple und flattered by the sassy observations of a politico.. /er sorry .. I mean that serpent here..