How to remove human rights types from existence?
Discussion
nervous said:
ecks has worked with me in some pretty tough schools- he knows only too well how difficult they can be.
that said, hes taking a pretty strong line here, that Im not 100% on board with*
*mainly because he never writes, he never calls.
How can I write or call? You intimidate me. that said, hes taking a pretty strong line here, that Im not 100% on board with*
*mainly because he never writes, he never calls.
Ecks Ridgehead said:
JagLover said:
I would also like to take issue with your assertion that intimidation never hurts anyone.
We could only afford to buy an ex-LA house when we bought last year and it makes me uncomfortable when we have to pass these gangs of hooded youths hanging around on street corners. When I think how a pensioner or lone woman must feel passing them I feel a great deal of sympathy.
You might say they are doing no harm, but making most people in the area stressed and reluctant to go outside is harming them, even if they do nothing else.
I'm amazed that people don't put it in perspective by simply adding up all the days when they haven't been attacked by young people. You can talk about intimidation all you like, but intimidation is all just in your own head - what intimidates some doesn't intimidate others. We could only afford to buy an ex-LA house when we bought last year and it makes me uncomfortable when we have to pass these gangs of hooded youths hanging around on street corners. When I think how a pensioner or lone woman must feel passing them I feel a great deal of sympathy.
You might say they are doing no harm, but making most people in the area stressed and reluctant to go outside is harming them, even if they do nothing else.
What crime is being committed by "hooded youths" if they are simply "hanging around on street corners"?
Vesuvius 996 said:
Ecks Ridgehead said:
JagLover said:
I would also like to take issue with your assertion that intimidation never hurts anyone.
We could only afford to buy an ex-LA house when we bought last year and it makes me uncomfortable when we have to pass these gangs of hooded youths hanging around on street corners. When I think how a pensioner or lone woman must feel passing them I feel a great deal of sympathy.
You might say they are doing no harm, but making most people in the area stressed and reluctant to go outside is harming them, even if they do nothing else.
I'm amazed that people don't put it in perspective by simply adding up all the days when they haven't been attacked by young people. You can talk about intimidation all you like, but intimidation is all just in your own head - what intimidates some doesn't intimidate others. We could only afford to buy an ex-LA house when we bought last year and it makes me uncomfortable when we have to pass these gangs of hooded youths hanging around on street corners. When I think how a pensioner or lone woman must feel passing them I feel a great deal of sympathy.
You might say they are doing no harm, but making most people in the area stressed and reluctant to go outside is harming them, even if they do nothing else.
What crime is being committed by "hooded youths" if they are simply "hanging around on street corners"?
Perhaps they're too intimidated by their teachers/co-workers.
derestrictor said:
Good old Shami: "what sort of society?" The sort which produces teenage scum, fuelled on booze and capable of kicking cancer battling parents who defend their property to death, that's what sort.
I really don't understand the stick Shami Chakrabarti gets on this site. She is one of the few people who stands up to the authoritarian tendencies of this government. The opposition certainly don'tChris71 said:
You don't suddenly become a better human being when you turn 25! The reason these thugs cause trouble has nothing to do with their age and not even as much as they'd like to make out to do with their background. It's simple - they choose to do it.
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I disagree .
The problem with these 'yoofs' is that they have the bodies of men (or near to it) but still the minds of adolescents. For most of them with age comes wisdom, or at least more caution. They may not become any better morally, but at least they realise that beating people up for the 'fun of it' is not much fun if they are locked up for a long time afterwards.
In terms of criminal demographics, for a given population of likely youths they have a peak offending rate in their late teens, early twenties then it drops sharply.
Bing o said:
Hoodies are the creation of our society - no kid is born bad IMHO.
If we are turning out a generation of Hoodies, thugs and chavs, we should try and fix what is wrong with society instead of treating all young people as potential murderers.
Exactly, compulsory gin and knitting needles for council estate girls who can't keep their legs shut.If we are turning out a generation of Hoodies, thugs and chavs, we should try and fix what is wrong with society instead of treating all young people as potential murderers.
We're breeding a generation of feckless scrounging scum.
It needs to stop.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 12th February 12:25
JagLover said:
In terms of criminal demographics, for a given population of likely youths they have a peak offending rate in their late teens, early twenties then it drops sharply.
I bet you could explain a lot of that with game theory without even thinking about mental and social development. Sod all to lose, and minimal penalties.Ecks Ridgehead said:
What crime is being committed by "hooded youths" if they are simply "hanging around on street corners"?
The only crime I have seen is them kicking in some poor blokes fence.But that is not the point, to say "well I've passed these gangs a few times and nothing has happened" does not mean you should not be intimidated anymore. 99 times out of a hundred these are simply youths who will commit some casual vandalism before settling down to a life of work/benefit fraud. Can you tell the one in a hundred who is truly dangerous just by sight?
JagLover said:
Ecks Ridgehead said:
What crime is being committed by "hooded youths" if they are simply "hanging around on street corners"?
The only crime I have seen is them kicking in some poor blokes fence.But that is not the point, to say "well I've passed these gangs a few times and nothing has happened" does not mean you should not be intimidated anymore. 99 times out of a hundred these are simply youths who will commit some casual vandalism before settling down to a life of work/benefit fraud. Can you tell the one in a hundred who is truly dangerous just by sight?
Raify said:
So, in summary:
1. Compulsory military service for anyone intimidating me outside shops.
2. VBRJ for Shami Chakrabati for standing up for people's rights.
3. Forced abortions for all those lower class types who can't keep their legs shut.
Did I miss anything?
No, that's just about it.1. Compulsory military service for anyone intimidating me outside shops.
2. VBRJ for Shami Chakrabati for standing up for people's rights.
3. Forced abortions for all those lower class types who can't keep their legs shut.
Did I miss anything?
Oh yes...
4. No benefits unless you work for them.
Ecks Ridgehead said:
JagLover said:
Ecks Ridgehead said:
What crime is being committed by "hooded youths" if they are simply "hanging around on street corners"?
The only crime I have seen is them kicking in some poor blokes fence.But that is not the point, to say "well I've passed these gangs a few times and nothing has happened" does not mean you should not be intimidated anymore. 99 times out of a hundred these are simply youths who will commit some casual vandalism before settling down to a life of work/benefit fraud. Can you tell the one in a hundred who is truly dangerous just by sight?
Ecks Ridgehead said:
But it is exactly the point. If no crime is being committed, then why should anything be done? You say you feel intimidated; well I'm sorry that you feel bad, but really, so what? Why should other people - who have broken no law - be forced to do things differently just because you have a personal fear that something might happen? Would we all have to cut down trees if you read a story about a tree falling over and killing someone?
Pavements are for walking, not to be used as youth centres.JagLover said:
Ecks Ridgehead said:
But it is exactly the point. If no crime is being committed, then why should anything be done? You say you feel intimidated; well I'm sorry that you feel bad, but really, so what? Why should other people - who have broken no law - be forced to do things differently just because you have a personal fear that something might happen? Would we all have to cut down trees if you read a story about a tree falling over and killing someone?
Pavements are for walking, not to be used as youth centres.JaegLoever said:
Nein, der pawements are for valkink, not stoppink und talkink viz zat voman you met at der Bridge Klub! Get on your vay, old man. Schnell, schnell!
Edited by Ecks Ridgehead on Tuesday 12th February 12:47
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