A disillusioned European :-(
Discussion
Fatt McMissile said:
Angela Merkel doesn't live in the UK, but she or her successor has views on brexit that will matter more than yours and many millions, yes millions, like you (Angela Merkel is the chancellor of Germany, that's like a prime minister of the big country the other side of France)
OK, France is the country the other side of the English Channel.
OK a prime minister is a stern person in a dress.
The English Channel........forget it.
Steve
I'm not sure what your retarded ramblings are about. Trying to educate yourself and failing?OK, France is the country the other side of the English Channel.
OK a prime minister is a stern person in a dress.
The English Channel........forget it.
Steve
One small problem with what you are saying, Angela Merkel didn't get a vote, so She had even less say than us peasants and now has to deal with the result. She won't get everything her own way, nobody does.
Were you attempting to make a point? It seems to have been lost in your simpleness.
paulwirral said:
mybrainhurts said:
Fatt McMissile said:
Still love the UK
You've never been to Scunthorpe, have you..? 
horpe " raceway " bumpiest oval track in England in its day .Steve
rb5er said:
Fatt McMissile said:
Angela Merkel doesn't live in the UK, but she or her successor has views on brexit that will matter more than yours and many millions, yes millions, like you (Angela Merkel is the chancellor of Germany, that's like a prime minister of the big country the other side of France)
OK, France is the country the other side of the English Channel.
OK a prime minister is a stern person in a dress.
The English Channel........forget it.
Steve
I'm not sure what your retarded ramblings are about. Trying to educate yourself and failing?OK, France is the country the other side of the English Channel.
OK a prime minister is a stern person in a dress.
The English Channel........forget it.
Steve
One small problem with what you are saying, Angela Merkel didn't get a vote, so She had even less say than us peasants and now has to deal with the result. She won't get everything her own way, nobody does.
Were you attempting to make a point? It seems to have been lost in your simpleness.
Noo Angela didm't get a vote but she'll get everything that she wants whereas you won't.
I was making it simple for you because your post was pretty simple, here it is juist in case you don't remember it:
rb5er said" If you don't even live in the UK, what is your "view" worth? Nothing at all.
You seem to be struggling with comprehension so I will explain my post for you.
As someone that doesn't even live in the UK and wont be returning ever, Terrys view is indeed pretty worthless. The Brexit vote is unlikely to affect him yet he has voted for something that has been affecting UK citizens for years and will continue to do so. We have to live with the EU and its decisions about what we can and can't do and people have finally had enough.
People overseas that will never return should not get the right to vote on things that will affect people that actually live here.
As someone that doesn't even live in the UK and wont be returning ever, Terrys view is indeed pretty worthless. The Brexit vote is unlikely to affect him yet he has voted for something that has been affecting UK citizens for years and will continue to do so. We have to live with the EU and its decisions about what we can and can't do and people have finally had enough.
People overseas that will never return should not get the right to vote on things that will affect people that actually live here.
So presumably my healthcare which i receive in France due to the reciprocal agreement on NI payments between UK and Europe, along with pension and social security benefits etc, all of which are potentially now in jeopardy, don't concern me and it's none of my business? By the way, I am a UK tax payer even though a French resident, something I have no choice in due to my work. But that's OK, just pay in and get fk all back eh? Just the sort of thing that you base your anti EU arguments on.
k all back eh? Just the sort of thing that you base your anti EU arguments on. 
mybrainhurts said:
The country you loved so much that you turned your back on it to live in another country?
Being part of the European Union meant that I could live and work in another country, thats how it works!!!mybrainhurts said:
The country you loved was ruined by the European Union. The country you loved is now free to trade with the rest of the world. In time, you will learn to love the country you loved once more
It was enhanced by the EU. The Government carried out an exercise from 2012-14 to investigate how the EU had affected the UK. On every count but 1 , it was agreed that it either enhanced or was no worse. The one item was employment law where employees are more protected from EU law , this was being complained about by the employers. EDIT - details here https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/28/lord...As for trade deals, you need to take a reality check. Financial services are out of most trade deals as they are so complicated. Opening up the UK to free trade from the US or China will finish off any manufacturing we have left. There is also a massive difference between "Single Market" and "Free Trade" just becasue we have a trade deal doesn't give us access to all of their market.
mybrainhurts said:
Courage, mon brave, all will be well and you can come back to the country you loved, where you can stand in wonder and witness the inevitable death throes of the European Union's economy from a safe place.
Complete opposite, since Brexit the EU has been more popular in all its member countries, most countries looking at the UK and laughing. The UK economy if Brexit is left to continue will go into deep recession while the rest of Europe plug the gap and carry on.We will see won't we!
Edited by Terryg4 on Friday 22 July 08:37
Edited by Terryg4 on Friday 22 July 12:19
rb5er said:
You seem to be struggling with comprehension so I will explain my post for you.
As someone that doesn't even live in the UK and wont be returning ever, Terrys view is indeed pretty worthless. The Brexit vote is unlikely to affect him yet he has voted for something that has been affecting UK citizens for years and will continue to do so. We have to live with the EU and its decisions about what we can and can't do and people have finally had enough.
People overseas that will never return should not get the right to vote on things that will affect people that actually live here.
The EU does not affect UK citizens unless the Government wants it to. We have the power of veto in every respect on every item. As someone that doesn't even live in the UK and wont be returning ever, Terrys view is indeed pretty worthless. The Brexit vote is unlikely to affect him yet he has voted for something that has been affecting UK citizens for years and will continue to do so. We have to live with the EU and its decisions about what we can and can't do and people have finally had enough.
People overseas that will never return should not get the right to vote on things that will affect people that actually live here.
I suggest you listen to this "Professor Michael Dougan assesses UK’s position following vote to leave the EU"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI
I would suggest that people who cannot understand the simple EU workings should not get the right to vote!
Terryg4 said:
Opening up the UK to free trade from the US or China will finish off any manufacturing we have left.
So UK manufacturers who export will be driven out of business by being able to buy cheaper components? And if free trade is so bad, that's not just a reason for not having it with the US and China but also for not having it with the EU. So I don't really see your point.
Dr Jekyll said:
Terryg4 said:
Opening up the UK to free trade from the US or China will finish off any manufacturing we have left.
So UK manufacturers who export will be driven out of business by being able to buy cheaper components? And if free trade is so bad, that's not just a reason for not having it with the US and China but also for not having it with the EU. So I don't really see your point.
This is a little like two bald men arguing over a comb!
It's a real shame that a vast amount of the population can't see beyond the headlines which on both sides, are all written by people with there own agendas.
Thank God, we still live in a democracy, which has now spoken.
For those of us who are UK citizens, or ex-pats living abroad, we are all affected by the recent vote and what we should all now be doing is accepting the result and getting on with making things work for ourselves and future generations.
Some times (in fact most days) st happens...............it is up to us to deal with it!
Now, - where did I put that comb?
It's a real shame that a vast amount of the population can't see beyond the headlines which on both sides, are all written by people with there own agendas.
Thank God, we still live in a democracy, which has now spoken.
For those of us who are UK citizens, or ex-pats living abroad, we are all affected by the recent vote and what we should all now be doing is accepting the result and getting on with making things work for ourselves and future generations.
Some times (in fact most days) s
t happens...............it is up to us to deal with it!Now, - where did I put that comb?
rb5er said:
We have to live with the EU and its decisions about what we can and can't do and people have finally had enough.
You may have had enough, but there's a bit more to come:
David Davis is Denis Healey's dead sheep by comparison. Big mistake not to have chosen Gove + Hannon imo. Big intellects required for the role.
Steve
Terryg4 said:
Well I haven't got much hair, but I am not going to accept a result that is only advisory and its conciquences could effect everyone for years to come.
I for one will go on fighting, just like every other party in opposition has done for hundreds of years!
Terry
So you bugger off to foreign parts and sit there, trying to wreck the huge opportunites that would make your homeland great again?I for one will go on fighting, just like every other party in opposition has done for hundreds of years!
Terry
Nice.
Fatt McMissile said:
rb5er said:
We have to live with the EU and its decisions about what we can and can't do and people have finally had enough.
You may have had enough, but there's a bit more to come:David Davis is Denis Healey's dead sheep by comparison. Big mistake not to have chosen Gove + Hannon imo. Big intellects required for the role.
Steve
"Mr Barnier has a vast network of contacts throughout Europe, after serving as France’s agriculture minister and foreign affairs minister.
In France he was seen as a technocrat with a populist touch and an eye for a TV camera, rather than an intellectual. He was sometimes a victim of snobbery from France’s elite because he was not educated at the prestigious École Nationale d'Administration.
He was cruelly dubbed "le cretin des alpes" -- a dig at his origin in the mountains of Savoy that references the Alpine valley dwellers who suffered brain damage caused by iodine deficiency in the 18th century."
And
"However, Mr Barnier may prove not to be the ogre depicted by the tabloids. He worked hard at winning over the City and frequently pressed the flesh in London rather than rained down directives from the safety of his Brussels base.
He won some plaudits after the initial hostility to his stream of regulations, and his relationship with Mr Osborne improved too.
“My line has been the middle line,” he told the Financial Times. “My first wish was to build a compromise. It was never easy, it was sometimes impossible. For the rest we reached agreement and it was never by chance.”
Syed Kamall, leader of the Conservative MEPs, described Mr Barnier as “first and foremost a very pragmatic politician, a dealmaker”.
And there will be an awful lot of deals to be done over the next two-and-a-half years."
mybrainhurts said:
So you bugger off to foreign parts and sit there, trying to wreck the huge opportunites that would make your homeland great again?
Nice.
Well I work and live within the EU as per the free movement of labour , I beleive you are the one who is going to turn Britain (which was great about 1830) into Little Britain, alone and isolated , with no financial services to bail it out, no manufacturing and no way farming can be competitive.Nice.
Good luck, we will see how many trade deals, Moe , Curly and Larry get within the next 10 years! Ifs its more than 2 I would be very surprised
I am keeping out of the discussion as I despise politics and feel it can be very divisive. However, it is interesting you pick the number of trade deals the UK will get in 10 years as 2. Don't believe everything you read. After over 40 years in existence, have a guess how many trade deals the EU has? That is signed, ratified and complete? Yes, the total is 2. Canada and Japan. ALL the rest are still in negotiation, although in practical terms there are many more, but they are operating unofficially which the UK could do as well.
Right, as you were, I will scuttle off again but wanted to raise the point that behind all the headlines, there is often a very different story if you dig far enough. :-)
Right, as you were, I will scuttle off again but wanted to raise the point that behind all the headlines, there is often a very different story if you dig far enough. :-)
TFatC said:
I am keeping out of the discussion as I despise politics and feel it can be very divisive. However, it is interesting you pick the number of trade deals the UK will get in 10 years as 2. Don't believe everything you read. After over 40 years in existence, have a guess how many trade deals the EU has? That is signed, ratified and complete? Yes, the total is 2. Canada and Japan. ALL the rest are still in negotiation, although in practical terms there are many more, but they are operating unofficially which the UK could do as well.
Right, as you were, I will scuttle off again but wanted to raise the point that behind all the headlines, there is often a very different story if you dig far enough. :-)
I was trying to be fair, yes they are very difficult and as as one expert said , "you have to know which industries to sacrifice" (!) "yes sacrifice" he reinterated when questioned by the treasury commitee. Right, as you were, I will scuttle off again but wanted to raise the point that behind all the headlines, there is often a very different story if you dig far enough. :-)
Terryg4 said:
mybrainhurts said:
So you bugger off to foreign parts and sit there, trying to wreck the huge opportunites that would make your homeland great again?
Nice.
Well I work and live within the EU as per the free movement of labour , I beleive you are the one who is going to turn Britain (which was great about 1830) into Little Britain, alone and isolated , with no financial services to bail it out, no manufacturing and no way farming can be competitive.Nice.
Good luck, we will see how many trade deals, Moe , Curly and Larry get within the next 10 years! Ifs its more than 2 I would be very surprised
If you think the EU can survive long term with one currency, one interest rate and some members desperately needing a different interest rate to survive, you're a bit deluded.
Some economies will struggle from time to time until France and Germany are unable to continue bailing them out, then the whole project will fall flat on its face. Thankfully, we'll be out of it and unaffected by the fall out.
Courage, mon brave, you're going to need it....
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