A disillusioned European :-(
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mybrainhurts said:
You appear to have missed the difference between the growing economy of the UK and the dire state of the EU economy, with very high youth unemployment in EU countries.
If you think the EU can survive long term with one currency, one interest rate and some members desperately needing a different interest rate to survive, you're a bit deluded.
Some economies will struggle from time to time until France and Germany are unable to continue bailing them out, then the whole project will fall flat on its face. Thankfully, we'll be out of it and unaffected by the fall out.
Courage, mon brave, you're going to need it....
I don't think I'm the deluded one! Lets post here in a year and see who was right!If you think the EU can survive long term with one currency, one interest rate and some members desperately needing a different interest rate to survive, you're a bit deluded.
Some economies will struggle from time to time until France and Germany are unable to continue bailing them out, then the whole project will fall flat on its face. Thankfully, we'll be out of it and unaffected by the fall out.
Courage, mon brave, you're going to need it....
PositronicRay said:
From the Independant.
He was cruelly dubbed "le cretin des alpes" -- a dig at his origin in the mountains of Savoy that references the Alpine valley dwellers who suffered brain damage caused by iodine deficiency in the 18th century."
And
“My line has been the middle line,” he told the Financial Times. “My first wish was to build a compromise. It was never easy, it was sometimes impossible. For the rest we reached agreement and it was never by chance.”
Whilst the Independent was my newspaper of choice, it doesn't make the point (in your quotation) that on this occasion M.Barnier will be representing the EU vs the UK, not trying to find a compromise between EU states. He will not be looking for a middle line, he will be looking for a settlement that favours the EU, and in particular France, where given his noted profile he will be craving the accolade of his countrymen. He was cruelly dubbed "le cretin des alpes" -- a dig at his origin in the mountains of Savoy that references the Alpine valley dwellers who suffered brain damage caused by iodine deficiency in the 18th century."
And
“My line has been the middle line,” he told the Financial Times. “My first wish was to build a compromise. It was never easy, it was sometimes impossible. For the rest we reached agreement and it was never by chance.”
Steve
Fatt McMissile said:
PositronicRay said:
From the Independant.
He was cruelly dubbed "le cretin des alpes" -- a dig at his origin in the mountains of Savoy that references the Alpine valley dwellers who suffered brain damage caused by iodine deficiency in the 18th century."
And
“My line has been the middle line,” he told the Financial Times. “My first wish was to build a compromise. It was never easy, it was sometimes impossible. For the rest we reached agreement and it was never by chance.”
Whilst the Independent was my newspaper of choice, it doesn't make the point (in your quotation) that on this occasion M.Barnier will be representing the EU vs the UK, not trying to find a compromise between EU states. He will not be looking for a middle line, he will be looking for a settlement that favours the EU, and in particular France, where given his noted profile he will be craving the accolade of his countrymen. He was cruelly dubbed "le cretin des alpes" -- a dig at his origin in the mountains of Savoy that references the Alpine valley dwellers who suffered brain damage caused by iodine deficiency in the 18th century."
And
“My line has been the middle line,” he told the Financial Times. “My first wish was to build a compromise. It was never easy, it was sometimes impossible. For the rest we reached agreement and it was never by chance.”
Steve
PositronicRay said:
And your point is?
My point is, as per my post that you replied to, M.Barnier is a very skilled and experienced lead negotiator representing the EU and in particular, France, whereas we have........David Davis. It is my opinion that he is far too lightweight for the role. Steve
Fatt McMissile said:
PositronicRay said:
And your point is?
My point is, as per my post that you replied to, M.Barnier is a very skilled and experienced lead negotiator representing the EU and in particular, France, whereas we have........David Davis. It is my opinion that he is far too lightweight for the role. Steve
Yes he is really on the ball, he is probably signing a deal with the Germans as we post!
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Interesting topic , I have travelled and worked in Europe, before and after we joined, my observation is that while members could borrow money every thing was fine.
Now they have to pay it back its all going tits up, cant carry on as it is.
Hardly a success story and getting worse. Best out of it .
Now they have to pay it back its all going tits up, cant carry on as it is.
Hardly a success story and getting worse. Best out of it .
Fatt McMissile said:
PositronicRay said:
And your point is?
My point is, as per my post that you replied to, M.Barnier is a very skilled and experienced lead negotiator representing the EU and in particular, France, whereas we have........David Davis. It is my opinion that he is far too lightweight for the role. Steve
auto1 said:
Interesting topic , I have travelled and worked in Europe, before and after we joined, my observation is that while members could borrow money every thing was fine.
Now they have to pay it back its all going tits up, cant carry on as it is.
Hardly a success story and getting worse. Best out of it .
Exactly. The EU is a failing project. Much better off out sooner rather than later. It will innevitably go tits up, why remain part of it?Now they have to pay it back its all going tits up, cant carry on as it is.
Hardly a success story and getting worse. Best out of it .
mybrainhurts said:
Fatt McMissile said:
PositronicRay said:
And your point is?
My point is, as per my post that you replied to, M.Barnier is a very skilled and experienced lead negotiator representing the EU and in particular, France, whereas we have........David Davis. It is my opinion that he is far too lightweight for the role. Steve
Steve
Fatt McMissile said:
mybrainhurts said:
Fatt McMissile said:
PositronicRay said:
And your point is?
My point is, as per my post that you replied to, M.Barnier is a very skilled and experienced lead negotiator representing the EU and in particular, France, whereas we have........David Davis. It is my opinion that he is far too lightweight for the role. Steve
Steve
It really saddens me to read this thread.
The vote has happened, at 52/48, it was hardly conclusive.
Surely, it is time to draw a breath and get over it. Tomorrow is the future. Yesterday is just history that cannot be changed.
I like the future, it brings opportunities, or threats, that I had not considered just a few weeks ago. That is what I think defines the human spirit.
Just have a look at what people in Spain are talking about on PH. Taking a boat out, enjoying Livin' da "Vida loca"
The vote has happened, at 52/48, it was hardly conclusive.
Surely, it is time to draw a breath and get over it. Tomorrow is the future. Yesterday is just history that cannot be changed.
I like the future, it brings opportunities, or threats, that I had not considered just a few weeks ago. That is what I think defines the human spirit.
Just have a look at what people in Spain are talking about on PH. Taking a boat out, enjoying Livin' da "Vida loca"
Edited by rdjohn on Saturday 30th July 20:27
rdjohn said:
It really saddens me to read this thread.
The vote has happened, at 52/48, it was hardly conclusive.
Surely, it is time to draw a breath and get over it. Tomorrow is the future. Yesterday is just history that cannot be changed.
I like the future, it brings opportunities, or threats, that I had not considered just a few weeks ago. That is what I think defines the human spirit.
Just have a look at what people in Spain are talking about on PH. Taking a boat out, enjoying Livin' da "Vida loca"
52/48 sounds close it wasn't, 17.4 million to 16.1 million is the largest majority in the history of politics, get over it and enjoy your last 2 years in this poxey unionThe vote has happened, at 52/48, it was hardly conclusive.
Surely, it is time to draw a breath and get over it. Tomorrow is the future. Yesterday is just history that cannot be changed.
I like the future, it brings opportunities, or threats, that I had not considered just a few weeks ago. That is what I think defines the human spirit.
Just have a look at what people in Spain are talking about on PH. Taking a boat out, enjoying Livin' da "Vida loca"
Edited by rdjohn on Saturday 30th July 20:27
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