A disillusioned European :-(
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Russwhitehouse said:
Ahhh, the old Italian tomato issue. Always been a thorn in the side that one. Massive obstacle to all sorts of things. Fantasy post?????
Irrespective of what the precise issue is that has prevented the EU getting a trade deal with China, the point is they don't have one and prevent us getting one as long as we are in the EU. That's the interference. Russwhitehouse said:
Ahhh, the old Italian tomato issue. Always been a thorn in the side that one. Massive obstacle to all sorts of things. Fantasy post?????
Yes, the one I quoted not a few moments ago, the one where you penetrated the minds of Gove and Boris and revealed to us what they were thinking.
Dr Jekyll said:
Terryg4 said:
I am with you Russ 100% on everything but we have lived here a while and know the French.
I am at a loss as to why the UK feel they have any bargaining power whatsoever.
You can picture the meeting .......
Ok we can sell you insurance
No you can 't as all your financial services have moved to Dublin and Frankfurt
We can sell you a Nissan
No you can't as they have just pulled out
We can sell you Cox's apples
Keep them we have golden delicious
And so it would go on
Have these people no idea? The UK Needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK
And any loss to the EU will be made up by the free trade deal they are about to sign with Australia.
Fu*king idiots
Terry
That's not how trade deals work.I am at a loss as to why the UK feel they have any bargaining power whatsoever.
You can picture the meeting .......
Ok we can sell you insurance
No you can 't as all your financial services have moved to Dublin and Frankfurt
We can sell you a Nissan
No you can't as they have just pulled out
We can sell you Cox's apples
Keep them we have golden delicious
And so it would go on
Have these people no idea? The UK Needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK
And any loss to the EU will be made up by the free trade deal they are about to sign with Australia.
Fu*king idiots
Terry
They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement.
Dr Jeckyl said:
"That's not how trade deals work.
They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement."
No, We say "we want to sell you farm produce because our farmers are desperate due to not being protected from imported farm products by EU import tariffs any longer."
They say "that's all right providing your farm products are produced to the standards laid down in these 5 million EU regulations and without subsidies from the UK, sorry, Anglo/Welsh government." Then French farmers burn the lorries carrying the Anglo/Welsh farm products as they enter France, and the French authorities let them do so. Why wouldn't they? every Gendarme has a relative who farms.
No, We say "we want to sell you German car engines that already belong to you, German and French cars that already belong to you, plane wings that already belong to you"
and so on. Get real.
I think that the film that you linked to earlier was pure (and for me slightly chilling) propaganda to reinforce perceptions of the EU, whilst dangling the ludicrous suggestion that we could be Switzerland. In an age of scammers, I'm surprised anyone was taken in by it.
For some facts watch this:
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/20/eu-law-exp...
and for some passion, read this:
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/376668/3260348/#.V2j18...
Steve
"That's not how trade deals work.
They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement."
No, We say "we want to sell you farm produce because our farmers are desperate due to not being protected from imported farm products by EU import tariffs any longer."
They say "that's all right providing your farm products are produced to the standards laid down in these 5 million EU regulations and without subsidies from the UK, sorry, Anglo/Welsh government." Then French farmers burn the lorries carrying the Anglo/Welsh farm products as they enter France, and the French authorities let them do so. Why wouldn't they? every Gendarme has a relative who farms.
No, We say "we want to sell you German car engines that already belong to you, German and French cars that already belong to you, plane wings that already belong to you"
and so on. Get real.
I think that the film that you linked to earlier was pure (and for me slightly chilling) propaganda to reinforce perceptions of the EU, whilst dangling the ludicrous suggestion that we could be Switzerland. In an age of scammers, I'm surprised anyone was taken in by it.
For some facts watch this:
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/20/eu-law-exp...
and for some passion, read this:
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/376668/3260348/#.V2j18...
Steve
Edited by Fatt McMissile on Sunday 26th June 20:19
C'mon guys, now is the time to stop picking over the bones and just accept that democracy has made its choice.
I have lived in France for 12 years and do not need to justify my vote to anyone other than myself!
However, I do have two questions:
1. Will I have to re-badge my Bentley 'Continental' when I reach Dover?
2. Can I still use my 'Continental' quilt when visiting the UK?
I have lived in France for 12 years and do not need to justify my vote to anyone other than myself!
However, I do have two questions:
1. Will I have to re-badge my Bentley 'Continental' when I reach Dover?
2. Can I still use my 'Continental' quilt when visiting the UK?
Fatt McMissile said:
Dr Jeckyl said:
"That's not how trade deals work.
They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement."
(b)No, We say(/b) "we want to sell you farm produce because our farmers are desperate due to not being protected from imported farm products by EU import tariffs any longer."
(b)They say(/b) "that's all right providing your farm products are produced to the standards laid down in these 5 million EU regulations and without subsidies from the UK, sorry, Anglo/Welsh government." Then French farmers burn the lorries carrying the Anglo/Welsh farm products as they enter France, and the French authorities let them do so. Why wouldn't they? every Gendarme has a relative who farms.
(b)No, We say(b) "we want to sell you German car engines that already belong to you, German and French cars that already belong to you, plane wings that already belong to you"
and so on. Get real.
I think that the film that you linked to earlier was pure (and for me slightly chilling) propaganda to reinforce perceptions of the EU, whilst dangling the ludicrous suggestion that we could be Switzerland. In an age of scammers, I'm surprised anyone was taken in by it.
For some facts watch this:
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/20/eu-law-exp...
and for some passion, read this:
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/376668/3260348/#.V2j18...
Steve
Why would we want to produce farm products that are more expensive than imports? The EU is inflating food prices for the UK consumer and you try to spin it as a good thing?"That's not how trade deals work.
They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement."
(b)No, We say(/b) "we want to sell you farm produce because our farmers are desperate due to not being protected from imported farm products by EU import tariffs any longer."
(b)They say(/b) "that's all right providing your farm products are produced to the standards laid down in these 5 million EU regulations and without subsidies from the UK, sorry, Anglo/Welsh government." Then French farmers burn the lorries carrying the Anglo/Welsh farm products as they enter France, and the French authorities let them do so. Why wouldn't they? every Gendarme has a relative who farms.
(b)No, We say(b) "we want to sell you German car engines that already belong to you, German and French cars that already belong to you, plane wings that already belong to you"
and so on. Get real.
I think that the film that you linked to earlier was pure (and for me slightly chilling) propaganda to reinforce perceptions of the EU, whilst dangling the ludicrous suggestion that we could be Switzerland. In an age of scammers, I'm surprised anyone was taken in by it.
For some facts watch this:
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/20/eu-law-exp...
and for some passion, read this:
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/376668/3260348/#.V2j18...
Steve
We ALREADY have to obey EU regulations, at least after Brexit we will only have to obey them for stuff we sell to the EU, anyone who doesn't sell to the EU can ignore them.
Dr Jekyll said:
Terryg4 said:
I was demonstrating that we have nothing that the EU wants, we will see what happens this week! Stand by to stand by!
And I was demonstrating to you that we have customers that they definitely want.Haven't you got it yet?
Dr Jekyll said:
crossy67 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
That's not how trade deals work.
They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement.
And if an arrangement can't be reached then what. We go back o building the Allegro They say:
We want to sell you BMWs VWs Skodas SEATS Audis Mercedes Fiats Ferraris Citroens Peugeots Renaults Airbuses and Golden Delicious and we'd really like it if you didn't charge us import tariffs.
We say:
We might be able to come to an arrangement.
Russwhitehouse said:
I fear the only fantasists are the deluded leave camp. Never have i wished more sincerely to be proved entirely wrong.
I'm with you here , I've never wanted to be wrong so much . I've a niggling feeling the remaining members of the eu are about to hand out a very public show of unity , Arse on a plate , handed over , see who blinks first ? let's hope boris gets a decent haircut so his hairs not in his eyes ! Dr Jekyll said:
"Why would we want to produce farm products that are more expensive than imports?"
Because that's what the UK does at the moment despite their efficiency in this sector. Someone has to pay for those muddy Shoguns with their "Buy British" stickers.
" The EU is inflating food prices for the UK consumer and you try to spin it as a good thing?"
No, it's an undesirable but necessary balance of interests, consumers, farmers, environmentalists, and you too unless you want to live in a jungle.
"We ALREADY have to obey EU regulations, at least after Brexit we will only have to obey them for stuff we sell to the EU, anyone who doesn't sell to the EU can ignore them."
So you think that there won't be any regulations regarding UK food products being sold to UK consumers? Think again, UK regulations on eg animal welfare are EU rules PLUS, and the consumer rights movement is more developed in the UK than in any European country. Presumably non-EU countries have a few regles too. You can't add melamine to powdered baby milk for China, for example.
(Squints eyes*, drops into Carter Pewtersmith mode**) I'm not sure about you Jekyll........
Steve
"Why would we want to produce farm products that are more expensive than imports?"
Because that's what the UK does at the moment despite their efficiency in this sector. Someone has to pay for those muddy Shoguns with their "Buy British" stickers.
" The EU is inflating food prices for the UK consumer and you try to spin it as a good thing?"
No, it's an undesirable but necessary balance of interests, consumers, farmers, environmentalists, and you too unless you want to live in a jungle.
"We ALREADY have to obey EU regulations, at least after Brexit we will only have to obey them for stuff we sell to the EU, anyone who doesn't sell to the EU can ignore them."
So you think that there won't be any regulations regarding UK food products being sold to UK consumers? Think again, UK regulations on eg animal welfare are EU rules PLUS, and the consumer rights movement is more developed in the UK than in any European country. Presumably non-EU countries have a few regles too. You can't add melamine to powdered baby milk for China, for example.
(Squints eyes*, drops into Carter Pewtersmith mode**) I'm not sure about you Jekyll........
Steve
- there are no EU import tariffs on squint's eyes. Squints eyes is something else.
- crikey, note to self, I must stop drinking/watching cartoons/posting on forums, I'm grown up. I'm 70 and a half ffs.
On a somewhat lighter note, does anyone remember Yes Minister?
“”Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. We have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it’s worked so well?”
Hacker interjects: “That’s all ancient history, surely.” And Sir Humphrey goes on to explain,
“Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn’t work. Now that we’re inside we can make a complete pig’s breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it’s just like old times.”
“”Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. We have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it’s worked so well?”
Hacker interjects: “That’s all ancient history, surely.” And Sir Humphrey goes on to explain,
“Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn’t work. Now that we’re inside we can make a complete pig’s breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it’s just like old times.”
Well , after the days after the result , here is my prediction for the future .......
Article 50 button will never be pressed, parliament will procrastinate over what deal to go to the EU with for months , possibly years until the next general election and a party will come to power having "stay in Europe" as part of their manifesto. In the meantime businesses go under , leave the UK , the economy goes into a massive recession. We become the laughing stock of Europe and the World having voted to come out, spent billions on think tanks etc , lose all the business and end up staying in anyway.
Article 50 button will never be pressed, parliament will procrastinate over what deal to go to the EU with for months , possibly years until the next general election and a party will come to power having "stay in Europe" as part of their manifesto. In the meantime businesses go under , leave the UK , the economy goes into a massive recession. We become the laughing stock of Europe and the World having voted to come out, spent billions on think tanks etc , lose all the business and end up staying in anyway.
Terryg4 said:
Well , after the days after the result , here is my prediction for the future .......
Article 50 button will never be pressed, parliament will procrastinate over what deal to go to the EU with for months , possibly years until the next general election and a party will come to power having "stay in Europe" as part of their manifesto. In the meantime businesses go under , leave the UK , the economy goes into a massive recession. We become the laughing stock of Europe and the World having voted to come out, spent billions on think tanks etc , lose all the business and end up staying in anyway.
And probably losing our rebate other opt outs in the process!Article 50 button will never be pressed, parliament will procrastinate over what deal to go to the EU with for months , possibly years until the next general election and a party will come to power having "stay in Europe" as part of their manifesto. In the meantime businesses go under , leave the UK , the economy goes into a massive recession. We become the laughing stock of Europe and the World having voted to come out, spent billions on think tanks etc , lose all the business and end up staying in anyway.
Ok, so playing along with that line, who is going to go against the instructions of the majority of the electorate? Political suicide. The Conservatives will be signing their death warrant, Labour are a complete shambles and UKIP, far from disappearing post referendum, will drum up more support and possibly become a big concern to the big 2 parties.
The people I know who voted leave now regret it , so perhaps not!
Also if Nick Clegg comes in and saves the day and we all vote Liberal :-)
He did foresee all this ...the day before! https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
Also if Nick Clegg comes in and saves the day and we all vote Liberal :-)
He did foresee all this ...the day before! https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
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