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What would be a reasonable offer for a 9-5 aero with a short mot (dec) and a oil leak?
130k , 2003 model last mot it had 2 advisories for a track rod end and the oil leak which seems to be coming from the back of the engine, no water in the oil or mayo visible.
I don't actually have room or need this car but it's local and could be worth a punt.
130k , 2003 model last mot it had 2 advisories for a track rod end and the oil leak which seems to be coming from the back of the engine, no water in the oil or mayo visible.
I don't actually have room or need this car but it's local and could be worth a punt.
I Wouldn't touch it unless i had inspected where the oil was coming from. Where is the turbo located on these engines.
there was a recent pher who bought one and it lasted a week, might not lose a lot of money but it is a lot of hassle. And the seller could be punting it on whilst it still runs.I would get one you can give the once over, even meet at a garage ramps so you can check underneath.
there was a recent pher who bought one and it lasted a week, might not lose a lot of money but it is a lot of hassle. And the seller could be punting it on whilst it still runs.I would get one you can give the once over, even meet at a garage ramps so you can check underneath.
The turbo is at the front on these. The rocker cover gaskets are prone to leaking on these, as are the little cam shaft cover things? at the end of the head. It is a nice spec and colour, the miles are reasonable. The short mot wouldn't bother me, last year's advisories for ball joints etc would be cheap to remedy, these cars are known for wearing out front suspension components and bushes fairly quick. If it goes for close to the starting bid I'd be tempted, and then maybe break or get rid of one that I already have after swapping few bits around. There are plenty of others for sale at not alot more. I'd not be willing to pay much more than the start bid for it though with the issues mentioned.
Hi Guys
As you seem to have a fair bit of knowledge about 9-5 petrol Aeros, can I ask a couple of questions please?
1. I have a 2006 car, 130k miles. It uses 1.25 litres of oil per 1000 mainly motorway miles. Been told it could be turbo seals, so asked the Saab garage who were servicing it on Monday to check. Senior mechanic said it wouldn't be the turbo as the car produces absolutely no smoke, but it would be worn piston rings. First time I have heard anyone say that. What do you think?
2. It has come back from the service with an advisory note "oil in coolant, query head gasket?". Opinions? Car runs fine.
As both jobs require the head off, do both at once? Or sell the car pronto?
TBH, I like the car and having bought it cheaply 13,000 miles ago (£1500) I have spent a bit to get it right - new aircon pump, new tyres, new front disks and pads, new plugs.
As you seem to have a fair bit of knowledge about 9-5 petrol Aeros, can I ask a couple of questions please?
1. I have a 2006 car, 130k miles. It uses 1.25 litres of oil per 1000 mainly motorway miles. Been told it could be turbo seals, so asked the Saab garage who were servicing it on Monday to check. Senior mechanic said it wouldn't be the turbo as the car produces absolutely no smoke, but it would be worn piston rings. First time I have heard anyone say that. What do you think?
2. It has come back from the service with an advisory note "oil in coolant, query head gasket?". Opinions? Car runs fine.
As both jobs require the head off, do both at once? Or sell the car pronto?
TBH, I like the car and having bought it cheaply 13,000 miles ago (£1500) I have spent a bit to get it right - new aircon pump, new tyres, new front disks and pads, new plugs.
try re-torquing the head if it's not already been done.
almost certainly not worth doing the engine work from a purely financial point of view but if you like it and know it and would probably replace it with another then i'd have thought to get it done rather than taking on something else with potential problems and unquantifiable expenses.
my man-maths tells me to divide purchase price plus bills by total months owned in order to arrive at the cost of ownership. fuel, rfl, insurance apply to any vehicle so i conveniently discount those costs. most of my vehicles have been amortised by the time the MoT runs out so, if i like and trust it, i can pay the bills with the expectation of another year's motoring for just a few hundred pounds.
if the head's coming off anyway then new gaskets would go in on re-assembly so (man maths again) you'd actually be saving the labour costs of a H/G change by doing the rings !! . however, the concept of forged pistons and Noob now raises it's seductive head so be careful.
paul
almost certainly not worth doing the engine work from a purely financial point of view but if you like it and know it and would probably replace it with another then i'd have thought to get it done rather than taking on something else with potential problems and unquantifiable expenses.
my man-maths tells me to divide purchase price plus bills by total months owned in order to arrive at the cost of ownership. fuel, rfl, insurance apply to any vehicle so i conveniently discount those costs. most of my vehicles have been amortised by the time the MoT runs out so, if i like and trust it, i can pay the bills with the expectation of another year's motoring for just a few hundred pounds.
if the head's coming off anyway then new gaskets would go in on re-assembly so (man maths again) you'd actually be saving the labour costs of a H/G change by doing the rings !! . however, the concept of forged pistons and Noob now raises it's seductive head so be careful.
paul
Edited by paulmakin on Wednesday 14th October 17:14
On the way home from buying my first aero, it knackered one of the exhaust valves, id only paid £900 odd for the car and ended up forking out another £700 for the head to be rebuilt, skimmed, etc. A couple years on and the engines running lovely but does use a fair bit of oil. Think its fairly common for these to use a bit, though mines starting to increase and smokes abit on hard acceleration (hard not to with these!) so guessing the turbos on way out. With a few other niggles and having done the water pump and mot repairs I dont want to put any more money into it so will be driving it until it expires. Fantastic cars but I really wish I had bought a nice one and not a cheap one.
You are right Paul.
I don't want to pay a fortune in engine repairs.
I do 30,000 business miles a year and am self-employed.
I need a comfortable, professional looking car In which I stand a chance in an accident.
I have rationalized my car purchase policy to minimize costs, and the biggest single cost of most cars is depreciation.
My Saab purchase was designed to reduce depreciation to a minimum, and hopefully minimize repair costs if I get lucky.
My plan was buy the car, fit new tyres, oil change and check over, say £2000 in total.
60,000 miles later, sell the car, now 11 years old, 180k miles, for £800-£1000. Depreciation £1000-1200.
So far I have had to spendan additional £400 fixing the aircon (made the mistake of buying the car from a liar), £200 on new front brakes, and £60 on oil.
On Monday's service I added a sump clean/declag - good job I did, per the garage - and had to replace a suspension part to pass the MOT. Total cost £300.
So I am £3000 in, and not at all unhappy. Car drives beautifully, since the PH crew told me where to look for the disconnected vacuum pipe. Seats are wonderfully comfortable (for those who don't know, the 2005/6 upgrade Aero seats are just the best ever).
Where am I on the engine? I had a long chat this evening with the guy who looks after my other car. He has 25 years car experience, and i trust him totally. He is puzzled by the thought that a car that has consistently used the same amount of oil for 14,000 miles and run fine, can suddenly be absorbing all that oil into the cooling system...there are no external leaks.....or into the turbo. I get no smoke, whatever I do. He is more interested in the piston rings.
He suggests I inspect my plugs tomorrow, and look at how much oil is in the cooling system. He then wants to compression test the car. And then we will decide from there whether to live with £35 of oil per 4000 miles, or do something about it.
I will report back tomorrow.
I don't want to pay a fortune in engine repairs.
I do 30,000 business miles a year and am self-employed.
I need a comfortable, professional looking car In which I stand a chance in an accident.
I have rationalized my car purchase policy to minimize costs, and the biggest single cost of most cars is depreciation.
My Saab purchase was designed to reduce depreciation to a minimum, and hopefully minimize repair costs if I get lucky.
My plan was buy the car, fit new tyres, oil change and check over, say £2000 in total.
60,000 miles later, sell the car, now 11 years old, 180k miles, for £800-£1000. Depreciation £1000-1200.
So far I have had to spendan additional £400 fixing the aircon (made the mistake of buying the car from a liar), £200 on new front brakes, and £60 on oil.
On Monday's service I added a sump clean/declag - good job I did, per the garage - and had to replace a suspension part to pass the MOT. Total cost £300.
So I am £3000 in, and not at all unhappy. Car drives beautifully, since the PH crew told me where to look for the disconnected vacuum pipe. Seats are wonderfully comfortable (for those who don't know, the 2005/6 upgrade Aero seats are just the best ever).
Where am I on the engine? I had a long chat this evening with the guy who looks after my other car. He has 25 years car experience, and i trust him totally. He is puzzled by the thought that a car that has consistently used the same amount of oil for 14,000 miles and run fine, can suddenly be absorbing all that oil into the cooling system...there are no external leaks.....or into the turbo. I get no smoke, whatever I do. He is more interested in the piston rings.
He suggests I inspect my plugs tomorrow, and look at how much oil is in the cooling system. He then wants to compression test the car. And then we will decide from there whether to live with £35 of oil per 4000 miles, or do something about it.
I will report back tomorrow.
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