Lotus Exige V6 SC (Exige (S3?) - New Elise SC
Discussion
Scuffers said:
some pointers.
which part of the engine is still standard at this point?
do you honestly think said 440Bhp engine (if it is actually 440?) cam meet *any* emission standards at all? (so zero use for a road car - why do you think every manufacture is dumping their high reving high performance engines?)
What do you think the cost of one of these engines would be over and above the std car?
Really, can we get some perspective here?
The point is, lotus got 440 from it and are planning a european version which will likely have a similar output, so with that in mind i'm sure they can get another 40 to 50 out of the Exige S unit in the future if they decide to release a hotter version, without to much trouble or are you saying that 350hp is the most were ever going to see?which part of the engine is still standard at this point?
do you honestly think said 440Bhp engine (if it is actually 440?) cam meet *any* emission standards at all? (so zero use for a road car - why do you think every manufacture is dumping their high reving high performance engines?)
What do you think the cost of one of these engines would be over and above the std car?
Really, can we get some perspective here?
I think you both say the same although with a different view 
yes its probably possible but with today's emission "rules" its most likely its gonna cost a fair bit extra, what also depends om what more they have to change to do it all within limits of engine/gearbox/axles/safety/emissions?
but first let some people drive and test the car before we do all that
yes its probably possible but with today's emission "rules" its most likely its gonna cost a fair bit extra, what also depends om what more they have to change to do it all within limits of engine/gearbox/axles/safety/emissions?
but first let some people drive and test the car before we do all that
peter450 said:
Lotus have already got 440hp out of a supercharged version of this engine, how much work was needed i dont know, but personally i think there is enough headroom there for lotus to release a faster Cup version or somesuch down the line with a worthwhile powerhike over the current car
Even if they add another 40 to 50hp, in a relatively light car, that will be noticable, and a 390/400 hp version of the V6 Exige will be very fast indeed
I know this is a Lotus forum and people want to explore the boundries of their cars but when is enough enough. Most people on here won't be able to drive the new Exige anywhere near its limits on the track, never mind the road (they may think otherwise).Even if they add another 40 to 50hp, in a relatively light car, that will be noticable, and a 390/400 hp version of the V6 Exige will be very fast indeed
Scuffers said:
which part of the engine is still standard at this point?
do you honestly think said 440Bhp engine (if it is actually 440?) cam meet *any* emission standards at all? (so zero use for a road car - why do you think every manufacture is dumping their high reving high performance engines?)
What do you think the cost of one of these engines would be over and above the std car?
It's still the supercharged 3.5l engine, not the 4.0l they use in the race cars. Spec sheets says a 7200rpm limit, so it's not an especially high redline.do you honestly think said 440Bhp engine (if it is actually 440?) cam meet *any* emission standards at all? (so zero use for a road car - why do you think every manufacture is dumping their high reving high performance engines?)
What do you think the cost of one of these engines would be over and above the std car?
footsoldier said:
By coincidence, I got a call this afternoon to say that all (80) of the early slots are now spoken for, and cars need to be specced next week to be sure of March. Anyone else heard the same?
Was also told that the Trofeo option tyres last about 1k miles, so don't think I'll be speccing those!
This is correct, on Thursday they had 18 Exige slot's left and 20 Elise.Was also told that the Trofeo option tyres last about 1k miles, so don't think I'll be speccing those!
Boggy
sato said:
I've seen a lot about the Exige, but nothing about the Elise.
Are there any links to the spec?
They haven't announced things like weight, emissions or fuel consumption yet - but I've written up what I could find so far here: http://www.seloc.org/articles/events/more-lotus-th...Are there any links to the spec?
Engine is the 2ZR-FE/2ZR-FAE (specs say FE, but a couple bits on there match the FAE), 217bhp (162KW) @ 6800rpm, 184lb/ft (250Nm) @ 4600rpm.
Will post up more info as soon as it's made available.
Thorburn said:
sato said:
I've seen a lot about the Exige, but nothing about the Elise.
Are there any links to the spec?
They haven't announced things like weight, emissions or fuel consumption yet - but I've written up what I could find so far here: http://www.seloc.org/articles/events/more-lotus-th...Are there any links to the spec?
Engine is the 2ZR-FE/2ZR-FAE (specs say FE, but a couple bits on there match the FAE), 217bhp (162KW) @ 6800rpm, 184lb/ft (250Nm) @ 4600rpm.
Will post up more info as soon as it's made available.
doggydave said:
I know this is a Lotus forum and people want to explore the boundries of their cars but when is enough enough. Most people on here won't be able to drive the new Exige anywhere near its limits on the track, never mind the road (they may think otherwise).
i agree ... will be the first time in a long time you wouldn't need to look for more power. bobo said:
i agree ... will be the first time in a long time you wouldn't need to look for more power.
I don't understand why 99% of the guys that post on forum's think they need more power because you don't, I've done load's of driver training and to be honest a 140bhp Elise is all you're ever going to need if you're using it for the odd track day and general road driving. My 911 is far too quick for the road and you can very easily get yourself in a lot of danger as well as trouble if you're not careful, I'm not a driving god so I guess I'm one of the few
I also have 3 Boys and a wife that need me around.
Boggy
Boggy said:
I don't understand why 99% of the guys that post on forum's think they need more power because you don't, I've done load's of driver training and to be honest a 140bhp Elise is all you're ever going to need if you're using it for the odd track day and general road driving.
More is certainly nice, but you're right, rare that you ever get to use it.Even with a 120bhp Elise I spend most decent straights on part throttle, simply not worth the risk of losing my license or wiping myself out.
Corners are the fun bits anyway
just to counter that, I really don't understand the viewpoint that you will never want/need more power...
that's like saying no car should be capable of more than 70Mph...
you might just as well surrender your pistonheads login now...
Maybe it's just me? but I do not believe there is such a thing as too much power per say.
350Bhp is a good start and long over-due from Lotus, but note the word start.
that's like saying no car should be capable of more than 70Mph...
you might just as well surrender your pistonheads login now...
Maybe it's just me? but I do not believe there is such a thing as too much power per say.
350Bhp is a good start and long over-due from Lotus, but note the word start.
Scuffers said:
just to counter that, I really don't understand the viewpoint that you will never want/need more power...
that's like saying no car should be capable of more than 70Mph...
you might just as well surrender your pistonheads login now...
Maybe it's just me? but I do not believe there is such a thing as too much power per say.
350Bhp is a good start and long over-due from Lotus, but note the word start.
In your hands 350bhp may be ok as you are obviously an accomplished driver. Giving the majority of people on these forums 350bhp, in a light car, would be a complete waste of time and their money. Very nice to have and own mind you. I've watched some of the driving gods on track days and to be honest some of them would be better off driving something much cheaper and slower. The cars are either too quick for them or too precious to be driven in anger. I put myself in this category as well. However I will enjoy watching some of the new V6 Exige owners indicating to let the 1.6 Elise S owners overtake them on the corners.that's like saying no car should be capable of more than 70Mph...
you might just as well surrender your pistonheads login now...
Maybe it's just me? but I do not believe there is such a thing as too much power per say.
350Bhp is a good start and long over-due from Lotus, but note the word start.
Want and need are entirely different. Most want, hardly anyone needs.
Edited by doggydave on Tuesday 11th October 11:28
gizard said:
It would be very boring if no one had what they wanted.......
exactly...you could quite legitimately argue that we could survive without sports-cars and all drive round in 1.1L fiesta's or the like, however, as legitimate a POV as that is, having the freedom of personal choice means that whilst people want these 'overpowered' sports-cars, then there will be a demand.
Scuffers said:
exactly...
you could quite legitimately argue that we could survive without sports-cars and all drive round in 1.1L fiesta's or the like, however, as legitimate a POV as that is, having the freedom of personal choice means that whilst people want these 'overpowered' sports-cars, then there will be a demand.
shhh the do gooders might get a hold of this thread!!! you could quite legitimately argue that we could survive without sports-cars and all drive round in 1.1L fiesta's or the like, however, as legitimate a POV as that is, having the freedom of personal choice means that whilst people want these 'overpowered' sports-cars, then there will be a demand.
Scuffers said:
just to counter that, I really don't understand the viewpoint that you will never want/need more power...
that's like saying no car should be capable of more than 70Mph...
you might just as well surrender your pistonheads login now...
Maybe it's just me? but I do not believe there is such a thing as too much power per say.
350Bhp is a good start and long over-due from Lotus, but note the word start.
fair points, but i will probably move on when/if i want more power, assuming it can actually do 8 seconds to 100mph in the first place anyway. that's like saying no car should be capable of more than 70Mph...
you might just as well surrender your pistonheads login now...
Maybe it's just me? but I do not believe there is such a thing as too much power per say.
350Bhp is a good start and long over-due from Lotus, but note the word start.
not convinced that the parts bin engine / gearbox combo will appeal with the associated costs of adding another reliable 100bhp or so.
each to their own on that, in the meantime the existing proposition is indeed a good start, hence a deposit from me.
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