Drive - Tuned! - Exige 710bhp
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Hi All,
I can see all views as valid to some degree... whilst I cannot condone driving like a lunatic on public roads, I myself am building a more powerful Elise in the form of a VAG TFSi S3 powered car.
Whilst I am not comparing in any sense, I do think responsibility is paramount when building and driving enthusiatically a car that has the potential to become a very dangerous object.
I will be looking for driver training as mine will have over 3 times the torque of its original engine and therefore I must learn to re-calibrate my driving style to this. I will certainly be doing this on a track BEFORE I "unleash" on the road to ensure I am not only capable of reading my own car, but I will only do this when in a safe environment i.e. clear roads and at a late time of night whn the mood takes me.
Frank, the car looks great I must say and look forward to what you can achieve in the 211, lets be honest and realize that far quicker cars can be built and I can admit that over my Elise also for the money I have spent, but this is about a passion for a brand and therefore this is what we should be celebrating...
Finally, I am in the UK and will be taking my car to some track days and is on Seloc (garages search for "The Red Devil TFSi" if you are interested) so hopefully see some of you guys at track days!
Cheers!
Andy
I can see all views as valid to some degree... whilst I cannot condone driving like a lunatic on public roads, I myself am building a more powerful Elise in the form of a VAG TFSi S3 powered car.
Whilst I am not comparing in any sense, I do think responsibility is paramount when building and driving enthusiatically a car that has the potential to become a very dangerous object.
I will be looking for driver training as mine will have over 3 times the torque of its original engine and therefore I must learn to re-calibrate my driving style to this. I will certainly be doing this on a track BEFORE I "unleash" on the road to ensure I am not only capable of reading my own car, but I will only do this when in a safe environment i.e. clear roads and at a late time of night whn the mood takes me.
Frank, the car looks great I must say and look forward to what you can achieve in the 211, lets be honest and realize that far quicker cars can be built and I can admit that over my Elise also for the money I have spent, but this is about a passion for a brand and therefore this is what we should be celebrating...
Finally, I am in the UK and will be taking my car to some track days and is on Seloc (garages search for "The Red Devil TFSi" if you are interested) so hopefully see some of you guys at track days!
Cheers!
Andy
andywebster2005 said:
Hi All,
I can see all views as valid to some degree... whilst I cannot condone driving like a lunatic on public roads, I myself am building a more powerful Elise in the form of a VAG TFSi S3 powered car.
Whilst I am not comparing in any sense, I do think responsibility is paramount when building and driving enthusiatically a car that has the potential to become a very dangerous object.
I will be looking for driver training as mine will have over 3 times the torque of its original engine and therefore I must learn to re-calibrate my driving style to this. I will certainly be doing this on a track BEFORE I "unleash" on the road to ensure I am not only capable of reading my own car, but I will only do this when in a safe environment i.e. clear roads and at a late time of night whn the mood takes me.
Frank, the car looks great I must say and look forward to what you can achieve in the 211, lets be honest and realize that far quicker cars can be built and I can admit that over my Elise also for the money I have spent, but this is about a passion for a brand and therefore this is what we should be celebrating...
Finally, I am in the UK and will be taking my car to some track days and is on Seloc (garages search for "The Red Devil TFSi" if you are interested) so hopefully see some of you guys at track days!
Cheers!
Andy
Now come on now you are building a high powered Elise and you are looking for driver training before you unzip the beast on public roads ? Dude try learning the car at different stages in power on the road. Driving the track teaches you nothing for the road at speed only expereance and common sence will do that, there are no apexes on a 12 ft twistie road. Drive fast at night without a full rally light pod on high in the twisties and you can kiss your ass goodbye and you call my driving in my own lane driving like a lunatic ?I can see all views as valid to some degree... whilst I cannot condone driving like a lunatic on public roads, I myself am building a more powerful Elise in the form of a VAG TFSi S3 powered car.
Whilst I am not comparing in any sense, I do think responsibility is paramount when building and driving enthusiatically a car that has the potential to become a very dangerous object.
I will be looking for driver training as mine will have over 3 times the torque of its original engine and therefore I must learn to re-calibrate my driving style to this. I will certainly be doing this on a track BEFORE I "unleash" on the road to ensure I am not only capable of reading my own car, but I will only do this when in a safe environment i.e. clear roads and at a late time of night whn the mood takes me.
Frank, the car looks great I must say and look forward to what you can achieve in the 211, lets be honest and realize that far quicker cars can be built and I can admit that over my Elise also for the money I have spent, but this is about a passion for a brand and therefore this is what we should be celebrating...
Finally, I am in the UK and will be taking my car to some track days and is on Seloc (garages search for "The Red Devil TFSi" if you are interested) so hopefully see some of you guys at track days!
Cheers!
Andy
I don't care how fast I drive as long as I stay in my own lane in control, as for faster cars in the canyons I still haven't met one no matter what they cost.
Sure you can build a track day Ultima that may be faster on track but I'd put my money on the Lotus every time in the canyons since I know a few guys here with killer Ultimas that won't even try to follow me through roads like this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXgWWNJVdYA&fea... Harris would crap his pants if he rode in my car with twice the power of the 037..
I think of my Lotus as an 037 with the engine of the Delta S4 and when I bought it 6 yrs. ago when it was an NA Elise I then compared it to my old Stratos which I then transformed into a 037 with a S4 type engine setup as time went by...
No original ideas here just putting 2 and 2 together to make a better Lotus for myself... Anyone notice how those rally champs shuffel steer ?
Good luck with your build all my details are on http://www.lotussport.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t... I'll check out Seloc.
Edited by the ronin on Saturday 16th June 14:45
Jesus Scuffers,
Lets try not to degenerate into another agrement on this thread, it was a responsible comment on my behalf, surely if we all drove at the limit then when the inevitable "f
k up" happens then other innocents are going to be impacted, excuse the pun.
I did not state he needed Driver training, rather there is a time and place to do this and surely we cannot condone this on heavily populated highways, after all its not just us, what about bikers and other traffic. we may well be in control of out machines (I am not "too bad" a driver myself but I shy away from any arrogance) but there are far too many considerations to take care of like other drivers, bikes, motorbikes, blind bends, loose surfaces etc. Even F1 and Rally drivers crash and you ain't convincing em you are better than them.
Yes I am a Selocer and whilst proud to be a part of the club, I am not one of the opinionated, self righteous members, merely realistic and appreciative of cars in both their good and negative forms.
As I said, I am hugely interested in Frank's build and think it is actually pushing the boundaries of the car build if nothing radical for some of the sections i.e. engine or suspension etc, its a sum of the whole package that gets me really excited about what he can come up with.
Scuffers, you obviously seem to like Lotus cars, then why the negativity about SELOC? bad experience with them?
Thanks,
Andy
Lets try not to degenerate into another agrement on this thread, it was a responsible comment on my behalf, surely if we all drove at the limit then when the inevitable "f
k up" happens then other innocents are going to be impacted, excuse the pun.I did not state he needed Driver training, rather there is a time and place to do this and surely we cannot condone this on heavily populated highways, after all its not just us, what about bikers and other traffic. we may well be in control of out machines (I am not "too bad" a driver myself but I shy away from any arrogance) but there are far too many considerations to take care of like other drivers, bikes, motorbikes, blind bends, loose surfaces etc. Even F1 and Rally drivers crash and you ain't convincing em you are better than them.
Yes I am a Selocer and whilst proud to be a part of the club, I am not one of the opinionated, self righteous members, merely realistic and appreciative of cars in both their good and negative forms.
As I said, I am hugely interested in Frank's build and think it is actually pushing the boundaries of the car build if nothing radical for some of the sections i.e. engine or suspension etc, its a sum of the whole package that gets me really excited about what he can come up with.
Scuffers, you obviously seem to like Lotus cars, then why the negativity about SELOC? bad experience with them?
Thanks,
Andy
andywebster2005 said:
it was a responsible comment on my behalf, surely if we all drove at the limit then when the inevitable "fk up" happens then other innocents are going to be impacted, excuse the pun.
it was a totally unnecessary comment, why even bring it up?k up" happens then other innocents are going to be impacted, excuse the pun.(and my reff to Selcock is because this is exactly the kind of post that belongs there, please don;t pollute here with the same!)
You seem easy to anger Scuffers, so I would ask you to perhaps ignore my comments then? perhaps that is the best way going forward.
Frank did not seem angered by my comment which perhaps was more aimed at his direction purely as a thought and consideration as a like minded petrol head. I would accept his feedback (as I did on his latest reply to me) as constructive and yes, when I use a car with well over 300bhp on the road I am going to be extremely careful and mindful of the limits I have as a driver...
As above, best to ignore my threads going forward and please consider yourself "immune" to my comments, I am just glad Frank can seemingly see/take them as they are.
Cheers,
Andy
Frank did not seem angered by my comment which perhaps was more aimed at his direction purely as a thought and consideration as a like minded petrol head. I would accept his feedback (as I did on his latest reply to me) as constructive and yes, when I use a car with well over 300bhp on the road I am going to be extremely careful and mindful of the limits I have as a driver...
As above, best to ignore my threads going forward and please consider yourself "immune" to my comments, I am just glad Frank can seemingly see/take them as they are.
Cheers,
Andy
Edited by andywebster2005 on Sunday 17th June 14:27
andywebster2005 said:
You seem easy to anger Scuffers, so I would ask you to perhaps ignore my comments then? perhaps that is the best way going forward.
Frank did not seem angered by my comment which perhaps was more aimed at his direction purely as a thought and consideration as a like minded petrol head. I would accept his feedback (as I did on his latest reply to me) as constructive and yes, when I use a car with well over 300bhp on the road I am going to be extremely careful and mindful of the limits I have as a driver...
As above, best to ignore my threads going forward and please consider yourself "immune" to my comments, I am just glad Frank can seemingly see/take them as they are.
Cheers,
Andy
Andy I have to say I'm with my buddy Scuffie on this, too many guys that know nothing about me first come up and bash my driving style hence my comment on shuffle steering or missing the fact that I never cross the centerline no matter how fast I drive in my videos and for the fools that comment on the accident that took out the Exige body work never read the fact that I was hit from behind by a A Hole in a Porsche doing way more then the 65 mph I was crusing at. He hit me because "he" couldn't control his car while hooning on a public road..Frank did not seem angered by my comment which perhaps was more aimed at his direction purely as a thought and consideration as a like minded petrol head. I would accept his feedback (as I did on his latest reply to me) as constructive and yes, when I use a car with well over 300bhp on the road I am going to be extremely careful and mindful of the limits I have as a driver...
As above, best to ignore my threads going forward and please consider yourself "immune" to my comments, I am just glad Frank can seemingly see/take them as they are.
Cheers,
Andy
Edited by andywebster2005 on Sunday 17th June 14:27
As for Seloc they banned me because all the experts that do nothing made all the same comments about the need for driver training over better power, wider tires and wheels and so on and yet it's Simion, randy and a few others push the Lotus farther than those fools would ever dare... The Seloc comment is always BS driver training or keep it on the track.. Screw them I say..
Andy I'm not angered by your comment and I hope your modded Elise is exactly what you are hoping for except now you will need the serious wheels the experts on Seloc will tell you don't need along with the suspension / brake upgrades they say upset the handeling of the perfect OEM settings from Lotus the Seloc experts say that driver training will cure..
Scuffie and Randy have more knowledge on the Lotus than anyone I know and it's these guys I go to if I want to throw out an idea for a second opinion..
Hell Scuffie is a saint when compared to me...
Edited by the ronin on Sunday 17th June 18:09
the ronin said:
Andy I have to say I'm with my buddy Scuffie on this, too many guys that know nothing about me first come up and bash my driving style hence my comment on shuffle steering or missing the fact that I never cross the centerline no matter how fast I drive in my videos and for the fools that comment on the accident that took out the Exige body work never read the fact that I was hit from behind by a A Hole in a Porsche doing way more then the 65 mph I was crusing at. He hit me because "he" couldn't control his car while hooning on a public road..
As for Seloc they banned me because all the experts that do nothing made all the same comments about the need for driver training over better power, wider tires and wheels and so on and yet it's Simion, randy and a few others push the Lotus farther than those fools would ever dare... The Seloc comment is always BS driver training or keep it on the track.. Screw them I say..
Andy I'm not angered by your comment and I hope your modded Elise is exactly what you are hoping for except now you will need the serious wheels the experts on Seloc will tell you don't need along with the suspension / brake upgrades they say upset the handeling of the perfect OEM settings from Lotus the Seloc experts say that driver training will cure..
Scuffie and Randy have more knowledge on the Lotus than anyone I know and it's these guys I go to if I want to throw out an idea for a second opinion..
Hell Scuffie is a saint when compared to me...
Fair enough, and I apologize all round then if offence or my comments bought up "SELOC" feelings... I will keep that side to myself As for Seloc they banned me because all the experts that do nothing made all the same comments about the need for driver training over better power, wider tires and wheels and so on and yet it's Simion, randy and a few others push the Lotus farther than those fools would ever dare... The Seloc comment is always BS driver training or keep it on the track.. Screw them I say..
Andy I'm not angered by your comment and I hope your modded Elise is exactly what you are hoping for except now you will need the serious wheels the experts on Seloc will tell you don't need along with the suspension / brake upgrades they say upset the handeling of the perfect OEM settings from Lotus the Seloc experts say that driver training will cure..
Scuffie and Randy have more knowledge on the Lotus than anyone I know and it's these guys I go to if I want to throw out an idea for a second opinion..
Hell Scuffie is a saint when compared to me...
Edited by the ronin on Sunday 17th June 18:09
Oh, and the wheels have changed as well as the suspension... looks like we will both end up with anti-christ Lotus based cars ha ha
Anyways onto the topic of the car... how long do you envision the build time on it... you seem to be making great progress on it so far
Cheers,
Andy
At 1:56 and 2:59 in this video you cross the double yellow line. The second of which is on approach to a blind oncoming corner putting a person coming up the mountain at potential risk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtE1s1ZgFc0
No apexes on a 12ft wide mountain road...really? Sebastian Loeb must be doing something wrong here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTBcVBp2Z8U
Geometrically speaking, there is an apex on everything that is not a straight line. Geometrically speaking of course...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtE1s1ZgFc0
No apexes on a 12ft wide mountain road...really? Sebastian Loeb must be doing something wrong here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTBcVBp2Z8U
Geometrically speaking, there is an apex on everything that is not a straight line. Geometrically speaking of course...
the ronin said:
Sorry dude but your depth perception is screwed since I could see everything ahead to make a safe pass and each and every pass was clean and at no other time did I cross the line or put a factious person at risk ... Loeb is on a closed road and he's using more than 12' of it but then again your depth perception is flawed..
Can you explain more detail? I dont understand?John Gerard said:
WRC car is max 1550mm wide so 5 feet wide? 2133mm or 7 feet left. That is plenty of room to apex. These mountain roads you say are 12 feet wide so how can you not have room to apex. Very strange comment.
Either way nice car hope this one stays in one piece.
fEither way nice car hope this one stays in one piece.
k off Troll! As Frank has said, this is a build thread. Calm response For you Frank. I'm impressed; you must have turned over a new leaf. You'll be having a burger and shake with Hennessy next!
John Gerard said:
WRC car is max 1550mm wide so 5 feet wide? 2133mm or 7 feet left. That is plenty of room to apex. These mountain roads you say are 12 feet wide so how can you not have room to apex. Very strange comment.
Either way nice car hope this one stays in one piece.
Is this guy for real or just a newly registered Cretin ?Either way nice car hope this one stays in one piece.
And people say "they don't understand why Frank gets so irrittaded"
Ex77
I've never understood why people who theoretically have the same interests - i.e. performance motoring - feel the need to nitpick when someone does something different? Surely we all share a common passion, be it focused on different vehicles - from sports cars to fast saloons to hypercars. When did it become that like minded enthusiasts have to find the negative (that doesn't exist) in someone else's passion?
Of course there are apexes on any non-straight piece of road, doesn't mean you have to apex them (as you would on a race track) to enjoy the drive. The same way a 700bhp car doesn't automatically kill kittens just because you drive it on the road - ultimately the person behind the wheel has to make the decision how to drive it - and pay the penalty (be it bent bodywork or worse) if it goes wrong. Driving to the shops carries risk, as does driving a mountain pass. There are ways to manage that risk, but that is up to the driver ultimately.
Stunning Exige btw, and fair play to you for developing a twin charge system for it! Will follow the 211 build with interest.
Of course there are apexes on any non-straight piece of road, doesn't mean you have to apex them (as you would on a race track) to enjoy the drive. The same way a 700bhp car doesn't automatically kill kittens just because you drive it on the road - ultimately the person behind the wheel has to make the decision how to drive it - and pay the penalty (be it bent bodywork or worse) if it goes wrong. Driving to the shops carries risk, as does driving a mountain pass. There are ways to manage that risk, but that is up to the driver ultimately.
Stunning Exige btw, and fair play to you for developing a twin charge system for it! Will follow the 211 build with interest.
dave87 said:
I've never understood why people who theoretically have the same interests - i.e. performance motoring - feel the need to nitpick when someone does something different? Surely we all share a common passion, be it focused on different vehicles - from sports cars to fast saloons to hypercars. When did it become that like minded enthusiasts have to find the negative (that doesn't exist) in someone else's passion?
Of course there are apexes on any non-straight piece of road, doesn't mean you have to apex them (as you would on a race track) to enjoy the drive. The same way a 700bhp car doesn't automatically kill kittens just because you drive it on the road - ultimately the person behind the wheel has to make the decision how to drive it - and pay the penalty (be it bent bodywork or worse) if it goes wrong. Driving to the shops carries risk, as does driving a mountain pass. There are ways to manage that risk, but that is up to the driver ultimately.
Stunning Exige btw, and fair play to you for developing a twin charge system for it! Will follow the 211 build with interest.
Saying things like a race track teaches nothing and you need rally pod lights on the front of your car or your going to crash at night on a mountain road are ridiculous statements. Saying there are no apexes on a mountain road is just stupid. Of course there are apexes on any non-straight piece of road, doesn't mean you have to apex them (as you would on a race track) to enjoy the drive. The same way a 700bhp car doesn't automatically kill kittens just because you drive it on the road - ultimately the person behind the wheel has to make the decision how to drive it - and pay the penalty (be it bent bodywork or worse) if it goes wrong. Driving to the shops carries risk, as does driving a mountain pass. There are ways to manage that risk, but that is up to the driver ultimately.
Stunning Exige btw, and fair play to you for developing a twin charge system for it! Will follow the 211 build with interest.
Putting another enthusiast down for wanting to learn his car on the track with an instructor is something Ronin should consider after watching his videos.
Edited by John Gerard on Tuesday 19th June 00:19
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