DJ Wilmas 111S S2 T series 400bhp Elise
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Pretty sure it is a cast iron block.
Honda weighs a bloody ton - try moving one, and try moving a K - there's a staggering amount of difference!
So going off that, and the T being 15kg heavier, don't see any reason to think it's anything other than iron.
As the OP mentions though - you don't get many people moaning about their Hondas or Audis being too heavy, so presume the same will be applicable for this beasty.
What gearbox does the T series use?
Honda weighs a bloody ton - try moving one, and try moving a K - there's a staggering amount of difference!
So going off that, and the T being 15kg heavier, don't see any reason to think it's anything other than iron.
As the OP mentions though - you don't get many people moaning about their Hondas or Audis being too heavy, so presume the same will be applicable for this beasty.
What gearbox does the T series use?
indeed, have read something about the older engine which this engine is based of, and that was a iron engine and head and in the newer generation like the T-series uses a alu head, that I think was about the conclusion
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The Rover T16 engine was a 1994 cc petrol engine, produced by Rover from 1992 to 1999. It has a bore of 84.45 mm (3.325 in) and a stroke of 89 mm (3.5 in). It is a development of the M-Series (M16), which was in turn a development of the O-Series, which dated back to the BMC B-Series engine as found in the MG B and many others.
Several variants were produced for various models, but all had the same displacement. The naturally aspirated type produced 136 horsepower (101 kW), and turbocharged types were available with 180 and 200 hp (150 kW). However, unlike some other turbocharged 2-litre engines of the same era, the Rover T16 cannot be easily and cheaply tweaked to produce more power, as its pistons were made to a price and not capable of holding boost much higher than standard. Older M series and O series pistons can be used with a little modification and do allow for higher boost. Forged piston are also available for the engine. Over 550 bhp (410 kW) has now been produced from a modified T series.[1]
While the engine itself is capable of a great deal of power, its limiting factor was the PG1 Powertrain Ltd gearbox it was coupled with which could not handle the torque. Due to this the engine is electronically limited to a lower torque output than it is easily capable of, giving the engine a very 'flat' overall torque curve.
Several variants were produced for various models, but all had the same displacement. The naturally aspirated type produced 136 horsepower (101 kW), and turbocharged types were available with 180 and 200 hp (150 kW). However, unlike some other turbocharged 2-litre engines of the same era, the Rover T16 cannot be easily and cheaply tweaked to produce more power, as its pistons were made to a price and not capable of holding boost much higher than standard. Older M series and O series pistons can be used with a little modification and do allow for higher boost. Forged piston are also available for the engine. Over 550 bhp (410 kW) has now been produced from a modified T series.[1]
While the engine itself is capable of a great deal of power, its limiting factor was the PG1 Powertrain Ltd gearbox it was coupled with which could not handle the torque. Due to this the engine is electronically limited to a lower torque output than it is easily capable of, giving the engine a very 'flat' overall torque curve.
K and gearbox weigh about 140 so adding 40kg plus 20kg in other bits like charge cooler etc. Idea is to be as close to the 860Kg of the Toyota cars.
The pg1 fits to the t but it's got a different bell housing so the gear linkage needs modding but that's been done. The pg1 is good for 400BHP once steel caged bearings are added. The uprated version also has an additional bearing over the Elise one. Plus mine has c6 ratios and a type b torsen diff
The t series has bee taken up to 800bhp above 550 you need a forged crank
The pg1 fits to the t but it's got a different bell housing so the gear linkage needs modding but that's been done. The pg1 is good for 400BHP once steel caged bearings are added. The uprated version also has an additional bearing over the Elise one. Plus mine has c6 ratios and a type b torsen diff
The t series has bee taken up to 800bhp above 550 you need a forged crank
Ok cut the firewall today, actuator needed to go on the otherside so thought it best to cut out the panel for a bit of extra room and also ease of inspection of the turbo as it will be engine out otherwise
Gearbox sits on the same mounts but about 25mm further towards the passenger wheel so the gear linkage needed a little tweak
Vibratechnics mounts are in, spoke with Phil today and he is happy with the way its in. even mentioned the drivers side engine mount is used on the supras and 700lbft so should be ok (y)
But, bought a new toy, its called the S-dash. I am not a fan of lots of gauges in a car, esp when on a mission as its the last thing you look at, i loved my DASH2 in the metro as it had hi-lo alarms but didnt want to change the std stack on the elise to keep the car looking std as possible.
So Drew at Roverdose showed me this S-Dash made by a guy in Belgium. It plugs into the DTA (one of the reasons i bought the dta) and can show 48 channels of information. Basically everything the DTA can see if will show and it has HI-LO alarms that can be configured to rpm, temp etc
So above 12.5 AFR above 6000rpm below 15 AFR below 10% throttle etc
It also has shift lights built in, is a data logger with 8mb memory, can hold 8 maps downloadable in 5 secs and an easy wipe screen incase i get any more excited :wub :up
Gearbox sits on the same mounts but about 25mm further towards the passenger wheel so the gear linkage needed a little tweak
Vibratechnics mounts are in, spoke with Phil today and he is happy with the way its in. even mentioned the drivers side engine mount is used on the supras and 700lbft so should be ok (y)
But, bought a new toy, its called the S-dash. I am not a fan of lots of gauges in a car, esp when on a mission as its the last thing you look at, i loved my DASH2 in the metro as it had hi-lo alarms but didnt want to change the std stack on the elise to keep the car looking std as possible.
So Drew at Roverdose showed me this S-Dash made by a guy in Belgium. It plugs into the DTA (one of the reasons i bought the dta) and can show 48 channels of information. Basically everything the DTA can see if will show and it has HI-LO alarms that can be configured to rpm, temp etc
So above 12.5 AFR above 6000rpm below 15 AFR below 10% throttle etc
It also has shift lights built in, is a data logger with 8mb memory, can hold 8 maps downloadable in 5 secs and an easy wipe screen incase i get any more excited :wub :up
chuntington101 said:
Have you though about getting that manifold cut and re-welded? Could save a good length of pipework.
No real need as the speed air moves I'd save 0.1 second Very little run for the boosted air compared to say an intercooler
Junks it's your fault, std would be no fun ;-)
Things have been a little slow due to baby and a job promotion but back on track
Suspension is on brakes fitted, ap 4 pots but with 308mm solid discs from a vectra not pretty but at 125 a set drilled and spigot type insert I had to try it. Braided all the pipes too
Dta has lots of features one is launch and traction control which is four channel so had to mill some marks into the disks.
Will also give speed to the ecu so I can trigger radiator fans and engine bay fan to come on at low speeds to counter act heat soak
Loom is made and engine should be running this week
Suspension is on brakes fitted, ap 4 pots but with 308mm solid discs from a vectra not pretty but at 125 a set drilled and spigot type insert I had to try it. Braided all the pipes too
Dta has lots of features one is launch and traction control which is four channel so had to mill some marks into the disks.
Will also give speed to the ecu so I can trigger radiator fans and engine bay fan to come on at low speeds to counter act heat soak
Loom is made and engine should be running this week
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