Exige S beats Cayman GT4
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PorscheGT4 said:
Trofeo tyres are faster than CUP 2's so even a bigger Exige fail to be slower in every section and every straight !
I await the Charged cool Exige.
Yes but the tyres on the porsche are 265 section vs 205.... That means it has 12cm more rubber touching the ground at the front than the exige and therefore less understeer.I await the Charged cool Exige.
The fact that the Porsche used for the test had a list price of EUR 20,000 higher than the exige as well makes it even more impressive that the performance was so close.
Its all pretty irrelevant anyway as most people that actually manage to get a GT4 will be to busy gloating at the side of the road telling anyone who listens how their car is the best in the world and letting them know how good the sat nav and laser guided cruise control is when they do their weekly trip to waitrose
end of the day the exige is in the same price point , so these are comparable and the GT4 wins in every area, not to mention looks better and will be a significantly more quality item all round... i LOVE the exige love it, but lotus need to give it 400hp and WATCH their pricing.... they are getting way to close to the big boys and aren't competing in the areas that matters to the masses of buyers... Gt4 manages the dual use trick with just the right amount of luxury / race car... The lotus is on the race car side yet is still slower and not hitting the gt4 in the area where it should be... at the track. The pdk gt4 will annihilate this car and the evora 400.
Beedub said:
end of the day the exige is in the same price point , so these are comparable and the GT4 wins in every area, not to mention looks better and will be a significantly more quality item all round... i LOVE the exige love it, but lotus need to give it 400hp and WATCH their pricing.... they are getting way to close to the big boys and aren't competing in the areas that matters to the masses of buyers... Gt4 manages the dual use trick with just the right amount of luxury / race car... The lotus is on the race car side yet is still slower and not hitting the gt4 in the area where it should be... at the track. The pdk gt4 will annihilate this car and the evora 400.
€60,000 vs €80,000 isnt really the same price point...You can realistically go into a Lotus dealer and buy an Exige S brand spanking new for £54,000. Most GT4's will be specced to £75,000+ at the very minimum. As for looks well that's a matter of opinion but to my eye the porker looks 'ok'
I don't think Lotus need to change the car at all. Its selling like hot cakes (although no to the same level as the GT4!) and it offers a far more visceral driving experience whilst delivering nigh on the same performance figures.
A more equal test from a price perspective will be the Exige cup s however the Porsche and Lotus are still very different beasts from an owners perspective and I don't think in all cases one customer would consider the other.
No doubt the PDK porker will be quicker than everything but meh from a drivers perspective
hughcam said:
stuff about something
Who cares about tyre ? and a tyre size does not = zero understeer lolend result is what it is.... the Exige was slower in every section with a SC fitted and a better power to weight ratio.
ON one hand people say the Exige is the track car and the Cayman the road car which is ok on track, but the end result was the road car was faster on track than the track car !
PorscheGT4 said:
Who cares about tyre ? and a tyre size does not = zero understeer lol
end result is what it is.... the Exige was slower in every section with a SC fitted and a better power to weight ratio.
ON one hand people say the Exige is the track car and the Cayman the road car which is ok on track, but the end result was the road car was faster on track than the track car !
1. Massive tyres = more grip/less under steer. You should have completed your gcse in physics.end result is what it is.... the Exige was slower in every section with a SC fitted and a better power to weight ratio.
ON one hand people say the Exige is the track car and the Cayman the road car which is ok on track, but the end result was the road car was faster on track than the track car !
2. Going less than a second quicker around a circuit does not make the cayman a better track/fun car. E.g A veyron is miles quicker around a circuit than either but most likely no where near as fun.
3. I'm bored of this argument as you obviously have a biased opinion going by your username....
I do not deny the cayman was quicker on this occasion. A car costing 35% more should be quicker (actually a lot more so). Let's see what the result is against the exige cup for a fair comparison of similarly priced cars
P.S. Don't get you titties in a twist this it's only a car forum
No need to argue, there are lots of faster cars in the world and most of use don't care about them either. Most of us here own or want to own a Lotus for very different reasons to it being the faster car than others.
If I wanted to talk about how 'fast' a Porsche was, I'd do it within the Porsche forums. Just a thought.
If I wanted to talk about how 'fast' a Porsche was, I'd do it within the Porsche forums. Just a thought.
hughcam said:
1. Massive tyres = more grip/less under steer. You should have completed your gcse in physics.
2. Going less than a second quicker around a circuit does not make the cayman a better track/fun car. E.g A veyron is miles quicker around a circuit than either but most likely no where near as fun.
3. I'm bored of this argument as you obviously have a biased opinion going by your username....
I do not deny the cayman was quicker on this occasion. A car costing 35% more should be quicker (actually a lot more so). Let's see what the result is against the exige cup for a fair comparison of similarly priced cars
P.S. Don't get you titties in a twist this it's only a car forum
I am find with it, just funny people 1st said it was slower as the exihe had road tyres, when it in fact had faster tyres lol2. Going less than a second quicker around a circuit does not make the cayman a better track/fun car. E.g A veyron is miles quicker around a circuit than either but most likely no where near as fun.
3. I'm bored of this argument as you obviously have a biased opinion going by your username....
I do not deny the cayman was quicker on this occasion. A car costing 35% more should be quicker (actually a lot more so). Let's see what the result is against the exige cup for a fair comparison of similarly priced cars
P.S. Don't get you titties in a twist this it's only a car forum
massive tyes does not = less understeer ! I am to old for GCSE's btw, but you might want to learn a bit more about car dynamics ;-)
PorscheGT4 said:
massive tyes does not = less understeer ! I am to old for GCSE's btw, but you might want to learn a bit more about car dynamics ;-)
So your saying if you took two identical cars and fitted one with a wider wheel/tyre combo it wouldnt have any more grip than the car with thinner tyres? Are you completely daft? Manufacturers do this to all their performance models since the dawn of the sports car 60 years ago. Its the easiest way to gain performance.
Like he said you need to understand vehicle dynamics, if its the same car then the download on the tyre in the corners will be the same and its this you need to get big g forces in the corners ergo you may very well not get any more corner speed from bigger tyres. Bigger tyres also drag more so will slow the car on the straights. Lotus engineers know all this stuff, is anyone seriously stupid enough to think that if they thought they could make a car like this go 0.1 to 0.2g harder in the corners and deliver a faster lap time with a slightly wider tyre they wouldn't bother to fit em for some bizarre reason. Like they would on purpose design a car like this to corner slower for no penalty, bonkers logic.
NJH said:
Like he said you need to understand vehicle dynamics, if its the same car then the download on the tyre in the corners will be the same and its this you need to get big g forces in the corners ergo you may very well not get any more corner speed from bigger tyres. Bigger tyres also drag more so will slow the car on the straights. Lotus engineers know all this stuff, is anyone seriously stupid enough to think that if they thought they could make a car like this go 0.1 to 0.2g harder in the corners and deliver a faster lap time with a slightly wider tyre they wouldn't bother to fit em for some bizarre reason. Like they would on purpose design a car like this to corner slower for no penalty, bonkers logic.
Ok then so why does the Exige cup use a 215 section front tyre is lieu of the the exige s 205 size front tyre..... Maybe its to make it quicker around a circuit?! I think that blows your whole theory out the water lolI do understand vehicle dynamics quite well thankyou. I wasnt suggesting using the same size tyre as the porsche as they are as you say two different vehicles. A wider tyre however will make the car quicker as lotus use one on the higher model.
I use exige tyre sizes on my elise and guess what....
Anyway I am bowing out this debate as im getting tired of defending a british brand from making a fantastic car that lapped less than a second than another german car you cant even buy.
Chow.
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