Exige or Cerbera
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hungryjim said: Ford do many things for other car companys it owns or has an interest in like Jaguar X-Type which has a chassis that was co-developed with Ford which is used in both the Mondeo and the Jag but there on they go their seperate ways blah blah blah
All true, but of no relevance to Noble who buy in complete Ford engines and play with them, so what is your point?
A Noble is no more a Ford than a McLaren F1 is a Bova coach, the F1 uses Bova rear lights.
adeewuff i can see many full stops[.] in my last post, maybe you sit too long on computer screens and your vision is blurred.
In the English full stops are required only when neccesary - you cant just slap them around. If you dont know in bracketed text does not need to be taken into account when punctuating a sentence as it is an internal body and may contain its own punctuation.
R U AN ENGLISH TEACHER?
In the English full stops are required only when neccesary - you cant just slap them around. If you dont know in bracketed text does not need to be taken into account when punctuating a sentence as it is an internal body and may contain its own punctuation.
R U AN ENGLISH TEACHER?
On a tight and twisty track it is king but in a 'real world' environment, long straight, dull, motorways it will get torn apart by some very mundane motorcars.
OH dear, if what you want is a motorway cruiser buy a big beemer, nothing wrong with that if that's your primary use case, reliable, quiet, perfect for eating up the miles . . .
. . . me, I have an Elise that never goes on a motorway, never does a boring commute, and never gets used for pointless terminal velocity pissing contests . . .
. . . your 'real world' is not everybody's 'real world' . . . and I suspect matches very few people's belief of what a sportscar is actually about . . .
Fd
adeewuff said:
hungryjim said:R U AN ENGLISH TEACHER?
Afraid not, simply an Englishman who likes to see his language used correctly. Seems you are another that has passed through the state system unable to speak or write your own language. Shame.
His spelling has improved over the last few months though - perhaps if we keep trying he'll learn grammer as well.
HJ - just a hint; try reading your sentences out loud. If you need to stop talking to breathe then either your sentance is too long or your lungs are knackered.
fergusd said:
. . . your 'real world' is not everybody's 'real world' . . . and I suspect matches very few people's belief of what a sportscar is actually about . . .
It's just my opinion. I did actually own one so I think I'm entitled to a point of view don't you think? I loved and hated the Elise but to be honest overall I couldn't help but feel disappointed with it. Apart from a few motorway trips the car was mostly for fun use and the odd commute into town.
I had the greatest respect for it but it just wasn't the car for me. I'm glad it fulfills whatever expectations you have of it, so good luck.
adeewuff said:
I had the greatest respect for it but it just wasn't the car for me. I'm glad it fulfills whatever expectations you have of it, so good luck.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion of course . . .
Just seems to me you bought exactly the wrong car if your main use case it tanking up and down motorways at 80+ . . . as for the original question asked, elise or cerbera ?, depends entirely on the use case . . .
Fd
fergusd said:Just seems to me you bought exactly the wrong car if your main use case it tanking up and down motorways at 80+ . . . as for the original question asked, elise or cerbera ?, depends entirely on the use case . . .
Errr... I bought the Elise mainly as a fun car not as a rep mobile. I think I only took it only the motorway 2 maybe 3 times but it was enough to show it's shortcomings. It's quite easy to delude yourself when in the Elise that you are travelling faster than you think you are. It's noisy, low and goes where you point it but don't be fooled.
But it just does not have the power, I loved the way it handled but it never had the balls to back up it's image. So what I want is a car that handles well and has a *&£!!! great big V8 in it. TVR anyone?
I have never been in a Cerbera, but I do so dearly love them...they make a fantastic noise, are blindingly fast and look stunning!!
I agree with everyone else that it depends massively on what you want the car for. On a tight, twisty road, the Exige is obviously going to win, get a sniff of a long straight and the Cerbera will be gone...
Tuning an Exige will make it a lot quicker, I have had the pleasure of being a passenger in a TT250 Exige (actually dyno'd at nearly 277 IIRC!!), it too is blindingly fast, all the way upto about 130 (never been anywhere with a straight long enough to get much quicker :O) It is however, so noisy it is unbelievable - that could just be the version I have been in and the fact that it has all of the silencers removed, but I certainly wouldn't want to drive too far in it.... well actually I would, as the feeling of it accelerating is quite immense!
I agree with everyone else that it depends massively on what you want the car for. On a tight, twisty road, the Exige is obviously going to win, get a sniff of a long straight and the Cerbera will be gone...
Tuning an Exige will make it a lot quicker, I have had the pleasure of being a passenger in a TT250 Exige (actually dyno'd at nearly 277 IIRC!!), it too is blindingly fast, all the way upto about 130 (never been anywhere with a straight long enough to get much quicker :O) It is however, so noisy it is unbelievable - that could just be the version I have been in and the fact that it has all of the silencers removed, but I certainly wouldn't want to drive too far in it.... well actually I would, as the feeling of it accelerating is quite immense!
The Cerbera is a fantastic car but it has to be said that running costs are very high.I found that during the time I owned one that there was always a little concern in the back of my mind waiting for the engine to let go.That aside it is without doubt the fastest straight line car I have ever driven.I know it's a worn statement but it is a racing car on the road and therefore in the real world the cost's a appreciably higher.I don't for on second regret owning a cerb but my bank balance has suffered because of it.You takes your choice!!!!Dont say you have not been warned.I have know bought an Elise so I can replenish my savings and who knows I've always liked the look of the Tuscan S.(dont tell the misses)
Steve
Steve
I agree that every Elise owner will say, 'needs more power', however not at the expense of the sublime handling the Elise has . . . I must admit to being attracted to something like a Tuscan or Tamora, however knowing a couple of people who drive Tuscans they would be the first to admit that on certain roads (not specifically twisty ones) that these cars are a big handfull compared to an Elise (having driven together), now it's horses for courses but I'd hate to move to a much faster car that is let down in the handling department . . . Also I can count on a few fingers occasions where (on the road) a car that CAN do 180mph would be usable to that extent on the road, regardless of the legality, not the point here I grant you, but all the same, relevant.
I know PH is the TVR discussion board of choice, however not everybody thinks that a V8 and 200mph are mandatory requirements of a sportscar.
Fd
I know PH is the TVR discussion board of choice, however not everybody thinks that a V8 and 200mph are mandatory requirements of a sportscar.
Fd
agreed
anyway - the exige is quicker than the std elise by some distance in any case, and the 190bhp vhpd version is not exactly underpowered is it !
as stated i would rather have a car thats fun between 0-70 on back lanes everyday than one that can theorectically achieve 200mph on a dry empty road once a year !
anyway - the exige is quicker than the std elise by some distance in any case, and the 190bhp vhpd version is not exactly underpowered is it !
as stated i would rather have a car thats fun between 0-70 on back lanes everyday than one that can theorectically achieve 200mph on a dry empty road once a year !
Exactly.
Motorway performance is not a weakness in the Elise as it was never designed (or marketed) with this in mind. I think it is clear clearly targeted at enthusiasts for track use and spirited driving on twisty country roads. I currently live in Switzerland and love to take my Elise on tight twisty mountain roads where it handles beautifully. For everyday use I have a Golf TD (150Hp) for refined motorway crusing and commuting. Maybe if you need 1 car for all uses (fun and practicality) the Elise is not the car to choose. If I needed to compromise on just one car then I would probably choose a Scooby or an Evo.
Motorway performance is not a weakness in the Elise as it was never designed (or marketed) with this in mind. I think it is clear clearly targeted at enthusiasts for track use and spirited driving on twisty country roads. I currently live in Switzerland and love to take my Elise on tight twisty mountain roads where it handles beautifully. For everyday use I have a Golf TD (150Hp) for refined motorway crusing and commuting. Maybe if you need 1 car for all uses (fun and practicality) the Elise is not the car to choose. If I needed to compromise on just one car then I would probably choose a Scooby or an Evo.
just my 2p..
I went out and bought an ultima a while back to complement my elise (heavily modified). I "thought" this was what i needed. But due to some personal cicumstances I had to choose between the two.
So I got rid of the ultima.. easy as p*ss choice really as the Ult was great from 90mph on a dual carriageway but in no way challenged the fun and grin factor given by the Elise. like somebody said theres no point in having a 200mph car once a year if you can get the same satifaction from doing 40mph around the country lanes. Personally I think the ultima is over rated if you are coming from another hi-perf car. don't be blinded by bhp-figures etc.. go test drive the plethora of cars out there and choose the one that makes you smile. Who gives a toss about brand/badge/other opinions
I went out and bought an ultima a while back to complement my elise (heavily modified). I "thought" this was what i needed. But due to some personal cicumstances I had to choose between the two.
So I got rid of the ultima.. easy as p*ss choice really as the Ult was great from 90mph on a dual carriageway but in no way challenged the fun and grin factor given by the Elise. like somebody said theres no point in having a 200mph car once a year if you can get the same satifaction from doing 40mph around the country lanes. Personally I think the ultima is over rated if you are coming from another hi-perf car. don't be blinded by bhp-figures etc.. go test drive the plethora of cars out there and choose the one that makes you smile. Who gives a toss about brand/badge/other opinions
LRdriver said: just my 2p..
Go test drive the plethora of cars out there and choose the one that makes you smile. Who gives a toss about brand/badge/other opinions
Quite right and there is a car for everyone out there. But let's not forget that some people seem to be blinded by the badge and refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses of a marque/brand simply because they happen to own one.
:Adeeopenscanofworms:Hi
just came across this thread.
My wife has one of the Citroen Berlingos - a blue box with a 2 L HDI Turbodiesel.
This box outdrags my Lotus easely, accelerating in 5th gear on a motorway, it distances big Mercs and BMWs as well (but only in the range of 50-80mph).
This is how far engines have come. Imagine this lightweight aluminum diesel engine in an Elise, especially with the gearing going to somewhere around 155mph.
Plus a huge amount of torque from around 1500rpm.
It must feel like 396 Chevy (Know / had one) and needs only 4-5l of diesel on 100km.
Well Lotus had french engines in their cars already, so why not again.
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