RE: US Elise Plans

Thursday 2nd January 2003

US Elise Plans

Lotus confirm that 2005 Elise will arrive mid 2004


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Johnny Freon

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101 posts

257 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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Right on. Hope they don't forget Canada.

LotusV8

2,591 posts

285 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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I just hope it isnt priced too low so dumb ricer boys wont get ahold of it and ruin it.

I also hope that it doesnt have a Jap engine in it when it comes here. I mean it cant be classified as a "Lotus" TO ME with a Toyota or Honda engine in it.

And seriosuly if it comes with a Honda engine, forget it, I aint buying it.

TheLemming

4,319 posts

266 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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LotusV8 said: I just hope it isnt priced too low so dumb ricer boys wont get ahold of it and ruin it.

I also hope that it doesnt have a Jap engine in it when it comes here. I mean it cant be classified as a "Lotus" TO ME with a Toyota or Honda engine in it.

And seriosuly if it comes with a Honda engine, forget it, I aint buying it.


Does it matter what the source of the engine is?

Lotus wont be developing their own engine for it, thats a certainty. So whatever it is, it will be sourced from another manufacturer.

The S2 Elan had an Isuzu engine, the Elise currently has a Rover engine, IIRC some earlier lotuses had Ford engines. Were these all "not lotuses"?

Can you think of another company that builds better 4 cylinder engines than, for example, Honda?

The Toyota 190 4 cylinder lump thats been mooted as a front runner for the Elise is far superior to the current antiquated 118 bhp rover engine, which would you rather have?

I know which one I would choose, all things being equal.

stevenrt

141 posts

271 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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LotusV8 said: I just hope it isnt priced too low so dumb ricer boys wont get ahold of it and ruin it.

I also hope that it doesnt have a Jap engine in it when it comes here. I mean it cant be classified as a "Lotus" TO ME with a Toyota or Honda engine in it.

And seriosuly if it comes with a Honda engine, forget it, I aint buying it.


Get yer hand off mate, and get back to your homework.

Bodo

12,378 posts

267 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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I wonder how many of the typical attributes the Elise preserves, when it meets all needs of the US market. 1,000kgs?

paulnederland

42 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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I am so glad that Lotus decided to give so little information and so much room for speculation for the next 2 years to come.
"A range of models will be available following the launch."
Now what could that mean?
It is hard to see paint, or color as different models. Must be bhp then?
Just to pleas this forum they will have to introduce at least 2 versions: an underpowered but lightweight version, likely a 4 piston version, close to 200 bhp. The second version HAS to be an overweight and overpowered version: 6 cylinders with over 250 bhp.
Bets anyone?
On a sad note: it says: “…following the launch”. It doesn’t say: “…at launch”.
You’d think that the top-level engine for the Elise would be the entry-level engine for the new Esprit?

MikeAR303

54 posts

260 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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If it is more than 800kg, I will no longer be purchasing it. Looks like they aren't going to be meeting the Jan '04 date given at the LOG either... oh well, back to waiting.

peteox

9 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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I have had a deposit on this lotus since last january. I get tired of waiting every once and a while and think of purchasing a Boxster, Z4, or vette. All I need is to see a picture and I know why I would rather have the elise. I am willing to what, but at this rate I will have enough money saved to purchase the esprite's replacement. I think now is the time for lotus to strike and unless they plan to get back into auto racing at the top level and win they may lose all current US customers negating what they are trying to do. Sell cars

Johnny Freon

Original Poster:

101 posts

257 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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paulnederland said: I am so glad that Lotus decided to give so little information and so much room for speculation for the next 2 years to come.
"A range of models will be available following the launch."
Now what could that mean?



Maybe they'll have an estate version

J

paulnederland

42 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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Estate....that could be handy for carrying spare parts?

englishman in LA

291 posts

274 months

Thursday 2nd January 2003
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Deposit since last February. I'm going to the LA auto show this weekend, and they better have a good excuse for keeping us all waiting....

Steve

RichardR

2,892 posts

269 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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TheLemming said:The Toyota 190 4 cylinder lump thats been mooted as a front runner for the Elise is far superior to the current antiquated 118 bhp rover engine, which would you rather have?

I heard that Lotus are planning to use the Toyota 2.5 litre V6 in the Elise. That would tie in quite nicely with a US launch as the Yanks seem to demand a V6 rather than a 4 cylinder lump.

The American market was also given as the reason for sticking the V6 engine into the Freelander, for example.

TheLemming

4,319 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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RichardR said:

TheLemming said:The Toyota 190 4 cylinder lump thats been mooted as a front runner for the Elise is far superior to the current antiquated 118 bhp rover engine, which would you rather have?

I heard that Lotus are planning to use the Toyota 2.5 litre V6 in the Elise. That would tie in quite nicely with a US launch as the Yanks seem to demand a V6 rather than a 4 cylinder lump.

The American market was also given as the reason for sticking the V6 engine into the Freelander, for example.




There was an Auto Express article a while back claiming that Lotus were going to use the 4 cylinder 190 bhp celica engine, as well as a toyota 2.5 V6 for various elise models.

IIRC there hasnt been any further verification of this yet, so we will all have to wait and see how it turns out.

fergusd

1,247 posts

271 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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Lets hope that Lotus don't ruin the european Elise just for the sake of having one for the US.

Perhaps Lotus will stand by their design ethos and use and engine suited to purpose rather than matched to outdated, blinkered US views on engine selection.

Personally, I don't think we'll see a V6 engined Elise, another new Lotus perhaps, but not the Elise.

Lotus's ethos is not to add performance by adding cylinders.

Fd

TheLemming

4,319 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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Unless you count the Esprit of course...

RichardR

2,892 posts

269 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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fergusd said: Lets hope that Lotus don't ruin the european Elise just for the sake of having one for the US.

All they need to do is jack up the suspension by a couple of inches and stick big black rubber bumpers on it. No problem there surely?

Arno

349 posts

279 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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RichardR said: All they need to do is jack up the suspension by a couple of inches and stick big black rubber bumpers on it. No problem there surely?


Wasn't there a car (Ferrari?) that was delivered in the US with removable bumpers, so it could pass the type-approval and then the owners could just remove them once they had bought and registered the car?

Let's hope Lotus can get 'creative', like they often do and figure out some way to 'bend' the regulations somewhat.

Personally I don't think there will be a V6 Elise. The ones that were spotted are probably just engine mules to put some engine types and setups through their paces for the M260..

Bye, Arno.

Johnny Freon

Original Poster:

101 posts

257 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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I think the removeable bumper car was the Countach?

The Toyota 2ZZ-GE would be a pretty good choice, but it is quite badly torque-deficient. The Elise is a bit lighter than the Celica though so it should work well.

harley

78 posts

259 months

Friday 3rd January 2003
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They won't build the Elise for the USA. This is just ongoing drivel to keep us interested...
They said the Elise would be here in 2003--NOW it is 2005.
TVR was supposed to be here in 2002! Never happenned, won't happen and that's too bad too sad...

DanH

12,287 posts

261 months

Saturday 4th January 2003
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The M260 is way more exciting to me than a federalised Elise. Would like some more news on that...