New engine or else !!
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sweden1 said: What is more common in Sweden Blondes or Brunettes?
60% blonde 40% brunette
What country did you once rule that tells worse jokes?
Denmark no comment ;-)
What is the Swedish roadworthy test called?
hmm?
How much road tax do you pay for your car?
depends on the car?
Away from city limits on a single track surfaced road how fast can you legally drive?
Away from city limits on a single track surfaced road how fast do you drive?
Depends on the road and the conditions, but normally over the limit it the right area.
Where can you buy alcoholic drink to consume at home on a Sunday afternoon?
Hmm trick question i think :-) no f**king place.
To the nearest 10 Kroner how much does a bottle of say blended whisky cost?
approx 350:-
What day is early closing in most Swedish cities?
Lördag
What is the ordinary rate of Value added Tax?
Moms 25%
What does AB mean?
Aktiebolag
Did the blonde bird in ABBA really have a a*se to die for?
You stand no chance unless u have a beard and gold boots.
I made one deliberate error in this posting. A true Swede would notice this.
Please lets me know if u think lotus should let us know about a new engine. and spend my regards to mike :-)
Errr scuse me But Danmark ruled most of Sweden ,,,,
just a question, is it true that the vx is made by lotus, if so is this not the worst of both worlds, lotus build ( lets face it, who biys a lotus for the build quality) vauxhall badge ( who buys a vauxhall for the badge)
i bought the elise because i climbed into it and couldn't stop grinning, it was nothing to do with the badge, in fact the badge almost put me off, i'd like to test drive the vxt, i test drove the standard vx and didn't like the set up, a car is so much more than it's straight line speed, i have a friend with an old mustang, so much fun in a straight line, and in the end, part of what you pay for with lotus is the knowledge that it's been set up right, set up for maximum fun, in someways it's one of the reasons i haven't changed to the s2 ( ok i won't go into that now)
i think the vx is a softer elise, bigger engine, more torque, less urgent, more comfy, heavier, that's great if that's what you want, but no amount of adding more power will get away from that
perosnally i think the turbo technics solution is more in line with the stripped out lotus mentality, but at the end of the day, if they made an elise that did 160mph, 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, why would anyone buy an esprit or m250 replacement, and that's where the profit per unit volume is for the company
pk
DanH said:
How about an Elise with the supercharged 3.5 liter GM V-6.
You don't really get Elises do you? If you put that in, you have a Noble M12, so go buy one of them if thats what you like!
Maybe I don't, I mean I am a product of the American education system, but light weight + more horsepower is a good thing in my mind. The only question mark in my mind about using such an engine in the Elise is if it could fit in the engine bay. I don't even think this would be too much of a problem, people put V-8s in old Pontiac Fieros all the time.
Turbo Tech as an option? wake up why spend £25000 - 35000 on a elise and then spend £8000 extra to make it 0-60 i 4.6 and a top end at 145? when u can have it for £26000 with a different badge. I am a lotus fan but i have to say this, (wake up and smell the coffee) your just living in a sold out lotus world !!! iF LOTUS DONT DEVELOPE THEN HOLD ON TO YOUR OLD DREAMS AND JOIN THE OLD BOYS CLUB!!!!
fusion_zak said:
Maybe I don't, I mean I am a product of the American education system, but light weight + more horsepower is a good thing in my mind. The only question mark in my mind about using such an engine in the Elise is if it could fit in the engine bay. I don't even think this would be too much of a problem, people put V-8s in old Pontiac Fieros all the time.
But look whats happened with the Elise Esthi - they pop a 2.7 litre V8 in with lots more power...then weight is up to nearly 1000Kg ...kinda defeats the object.
Lotus ARE developing....reckon on seeing a 190bhp VVTI Toyota engined Liz and a 220bhp 2.5V6 jobbie in the next 12 months. So if they can do 220bhp V6 and around 800Kg, it will P*ss all over the VX220T.
i assume a troll is someone who hides under a bridge and dislikes goats??
and wouldn't a second hand elise (~13k) then either the 160 upgrade at 3k, or the 220bhp at 11k be enough to bait most goats under the bridge??
i must say i have adored the s1 since first seeing a picture and am now in a position to buy one (childhood has its drawbacks), i would not even consider an s2 or the vx as i think they are both fugly. but then i spose different horses...
and wouldn't a second hand elise (~13k) then either the 160 upgrade at 3k, or the 220bhp at 11k be enough to bait most goats under the bridge??
i must say i have adored the s1 since first seeing a picture and am now in a position to buy one (childhood has its drawbacks), i would not even consider an s2 or the vx as i think they are both fugly. but then i spose different horses...
zak, not having a go at you! Its just that I don't know of any 3.5 litre v6 that would not ruin the elise. Whilst the power to weight increases by doing so, you end up with a lot more mass to control when cornering and breaking. That means you have to uprate everything else and even then the finished product tends to suffer. Then the weight gets even sillier and the cost goes up. The natural evolution is a noble m12 as thats like an Elise but with uprated everything - it also costs 80% more.
One of the advantages of the Elise is that you can drive it very quickly, and still get decent wear out of brakes, clutch & etc.
Even a standard steel 1.8 block would be crap in an Elise which is why they have put the rover alumium block in.
Its not that easy to pick a good engine for a car like the Elise without compromising some really fundamental aspects of its design.
Dan, they used the Rover K cos thats all that was on offer - having said that it is a suberb motor and can be tuned without Turbo addition to 220bhp - with Elises wt more than enough to turn over the competition.
Can't understand this more power argument - you never hear TVR, Porsche drivers demanding - more handling!! its a load of bollock* - like everything in life there's never enough...
Can't understand this more power argument - you never hear TVR, Porsche drivers demanding - more handling!! its a load of bollock* - like everything in life there's never enough...
Better handling usually requires a complete redesign of car. A better engine is design upgrade, not an overhaul. What makes a car a sport car?
1: handling
2: power
3: ...looks?
Item # 1 is met. I just cannot understand why even a Mini has a 200 bhp engine and the Elise has to do with far less than that. It seems so out of line: "standard" cars with far more power than an Elise "sport car".
1: handling
2: power
3: ...looks?
Item # 1 is met. I just cannot understand why even a Mini has a 200 bhp engine and the Elise has to do with far less than that. It seems so out of line: "standard" cars with far more power than an Elise "sport car".
DanH said: --
Dan, they used the Rover K cos thats all that was on offer
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All that was on offer that fitted the weight criteria. There still isn't much about that fits the bill.
Don't forget at the time Lotus developed the Elise and this is pre 1996!! that they had very few options with regard to a cheap, lightweight, reliable, tunable and plentiful engine, that also had to meet emission controls. The TT conv is in keeping with the Lotus ethos, keep it light, it adds on about 10kg, but take into account a replacement manifold/exhaust that may well be lighter than the OEM product and the weight difference is neglible.
Most of the TT convs they do at present are individuals buying 2nd hand S1's for say £13k - £16k + the cost of the conv and you have a car for £21k to £24k, not a bad deal for the handling/performance you get.
PC
>> Edited by Felix7 on Sunday 16th February 19:58
i've just looked at sweden1's profile and all he has talked about is the k series engine. FAscinating bloke!!! Actually, he's obviously a schoolkid as he is the only one thats remotely bothered about being overtaken by a VX220T, maybe when he's old enough to drive he'll be able to test an elise and understand what they're all about. In the meantime, I bet he hasn't got a picture of a VX220 on his bedroom wall!!
indeed its 'a amazing' (keep going to those english classes). I can read - these are your only threads:
"New engine or else !!
New Enigine or Else !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did Lotus choose the 'K' series engine"
So what is your point? Or from the tone of your last post, what is the point of you?
"New engine or else !!
New Enigine or Else !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did Lotus choose the 'K' series engine"
So what is your point? Or from the tone of your last post, what is the point of you?
dont know if this is news, but speaking to dealer today I was told that a new elise heritage car (!) is due out soon - white with green flash and green interior (going back to lotus cortina i suppose), and a replacement for the esprit (totally new car) due in 2005 and i think he said coupe or spider options. But no mention of a new engine for the elise.
personally i think the k is a great choice, it's light, cheap, produces lots of torque low down for easy driving and yet is tunable if you really want to go race, it's a tried and trusted design, apart form the head gasket problems which really aren't that common, it's reliable, you want to know what can go wrong with a new engine, go look at the tvr page with the sp6, i think it was a good choice when they designed the elise, ithink it still is now, sure the vx has a 2.2, but then it gets through fuel faster, i don't think for everyday use turbo charging the elise is the answer, because when the turbo kicks in, in car this light, get it wrong, and it's going to go horribley wrong
ok so we stick a bigger engine in, cool it goes faster, except the engine is heavier, so the elise which is already light at the front, needs to get longer for the weight distribution and wider to keep the handling, and that bigger engine needs more fuel, so it needs a bigger tank, and that heavier engine and new heavier body needs up rated structual parts, the result is a bigger, longer wider heavier elise with more power, but the bigger frontal area and larger weight means you have lost much of that increase you originally got, so yes it still accelerates faster, but not that much, and it has a higher top speed, which is useful for... anyway lotus make this car, they have now for 20 years, it's called an esprit if you haven't noticed and it costs twice as much
so if you want to pay twice as much then get an esprit, see the great thing about the elise is it allowed people like myself to dive cars with handling and performance that would not normally be available to us
i think thek was the right choice then as it is now, maybe if they'd had the time and money they could have tuned it slightly, but the problem is, the more you drive the elise, the more you miss how good it is, if it feels slow, the go drive a normal car for a week, then get back inside the elise and debate if it needs more power
it's not meant to be a supper car, it's a roadster, it's light weight, topless, great handling fun car, every couple of years i think fo changing it, i have never found a car that gives so much for so little, if you like the straight line speed of the vxt, then go buy one, but except off the lights, you won't be any faster, and come the bends, the cheaper, less powerful elise will be all over you
ok so we stick a bigger engine in, cool it goes faster, except the engine is heavier, so the elise which is already light at the front, needs to get longer for the weight distribution and wider to keep the handling, and that bigger engine needs more fuel, so it needs a bigger tank, and that heavier engine and new heavier body needs up rated structual parts, the result is a bigger, longer wider heavier elise with more power, but the bigger frontal area and larger weight means you have lost much of that increase you originally got, so yes it still accelerates faster, but not that much, and it has a higher top speed, which is useful for... anyway lotus make this car, they have now for 20 years, it's called an esprit if you haven't noticed and it costs twice as much
so if you want to pay twice as much then get an esprit, see the great thing about the elise is it allowed people like myself to dive cars with handling and performance that would not normally be available to us
i think thek was the right choice then as it is now, maybe if they'd had the time and money they could have tuned it slightly, but the problem is, the more you drive the elise, the more you miss how good it is, if it feels slow, the go drive a normal car for a week, then get back inside the elise and debate if it needs more power
it's not meant to be a supper car, it's a roadster, it's light weight, topless, great handling fun car, every couple of years i think fo changing it, i have never found a car that gives so much for so little, if you like the straight line speed of the vxt, then go buy one, but except off the lights, you won't be any faster, and come the bends, the cheaper, less powerful elise will be all over you
I second that.
I maybe in a position where my Elise my have to go, so was looking at a cheaper car - VX
If you think the engine in the VX is any good, turbo'd or not you are greatly mistaken.
Ask Vauxhall how many problems they have had with this unit ? make a cup of tea, no sorry a pot of tea.....you will be there for a while
SVG
I maybe in a position where my Elise my have to go, so was looking at a cheaper car - VX
If you think the engine in the VX is any good, turbo'd or not you are greatly mistaken.
Ask Vauxhall how many problems they have had with this unit ? make a cup of tea, no sorry a pot of tea.....you will be there for a while
SVG
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