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Will this fit?
dejoux said:
It seems like a lovely car but it dont seem like an exige. Its an elise coupe
I know Ive said it over and over again but the Honda Motor is far superior to the Toyota unit and I still cant believe Lotus comprimised.
Ill take an S1 exige with a Honda K20A transplant
Agreed! Buy it without engine . . .
K20A Engine Specs
HP 220 @ 8000RPM
Torque 152 lb/ft @ 7000 RPM
Redline 8400 RPM
Bore 86mm
Stroke 86mm
Comp Ratio 11.5:1
Displacement 1998cc
Trans Specs
1st 3.27:1
2nd 2.13:1
3rd 1.57:1
4th 1.21:1
5th .97:1
6th .78:1
Final Drive 4.76:1
This is Honda's newest addition to a quite remarkable lineup of engines producing more than 100hp/Ll. Though not as robust as the F20C from the S-2000 in terms of raw horsepower, this engine produces the same torque at lower RPM, providing a more linear power delivery. This new generation of Honda engines have a significantly better bore stroke relationship than the old B series engines. This will mean even higher performance in a fully tuned condition. This power train has a 6speed limited slip transaxle.
Installation into the Lotus Elise/Exige chassis, the K20A fits better than the original Rover engine. Because the K20A exhaust and gear change mechanism are not routed under the engine, the crankshaft centerline can be positioned significantly lower than the Rover K series, yielding a lower center of gravity.
dejoux said:
It seems like a lovely car but it dont seem like an exige. Its an elise coupe
I know Ive said it over and over again but the Honda Motor is far superior to the Toyota unit and I still cant believe Lotus comprimised.
Ill take an S1 exige with a Honda K20A transplant
You have, you hate Toyota, we know
Would you be prepared to pay significantly more for an Exige with a K20A in it? I'm sure the reason behind the choice is economics, that and the fact that Honda probably said NO to Lotus.
What is it about this Toyota vs Honda thing anyway?
Felix7 said:
The reaction to Clarkson's article on the Exige S2 two weeks ago has seen a surge of interest by the non Lotus owners at the dealers.
... which proves a point I made here a few weeks ago.
The Exige lacks the additional noise insulation of the 111R, even when you add the Touring pack in the Exige it does not include the additional noise insulation. Therefore, I find it suprising to read that the Exige is quieter than the 111R.
Two questions Ted:
1) Is the car easier to get into and out of than an Elise S2 with the hood up? That is, has the addition of the fixed roof allowed Lotus to reduce the height of the side sills (possible if the roof were made a load bearing element of the chassis)?
2) Did you really find the Exige quiet enough? Hard top Elises have usually been likened to being inside a drum as it is banged.
I can guarantee they won't have changed the sills in the slighest. Don't see how a drop in piece of fibreglass would be useful compensation for cutting out aluminium structure. In fact the Exige S2s roof unclips to facilitate easier cabin access for seat replacement etc.
Personally I like the sills as they are as its good side impact protection.
The whole point about the 111R is it's standard. You can run it for a year and move on without taking a big hit, due to the supply / demand. If you throw 15k tuning up an old lotus, you'll loose at least 12k of that immediately. For those kind of mega losses I'd rather be at the helm of a 360 for a year. Tuning cars is a pure waste of cash.
Roadrunner said:
The whole point about the 111R is it's standard. You can run it for a year and move on without taking a big hit, due to the supply / demand. If you throw 15k tuning up an old lotus, you'll loose at least 12k of that immediately. For those kind of mega losses I'd rather be at the helm of a 360 for a year. Tuning cars is a pure waste of cash.
But which is faster better?
You do not buy car for investment, this is foolish.
chassis said:
But which is faster better?
You do not buy car for investment, this is foolish.
If you are happy to spend £25k on a car plus a new engine and then sell it for £13k then be my guest - if you plan to keep it for ages then the economics work out better I suppose.
Better? Depends what you want it for for wind in your hair B-road blasting (what the Elise does best), the 111R for track day heroics - probably the Exige. The Exige was faster round the Top Gear test track last week than the 111R. Horses for courses I guess.
Just read your review of the Elise
You must have been on a straight road or your cousin wasn't trying.chassis said:
My review?
I have been in my cousin Elise.
He drove very fast in Bahrain and we drove its maximum speed.
it is not fast but nice like small car way.
Like mini.
My cousin had car only for few day and then sell it as it was not fast enough.
Well the roads in Bahrain are hardly ideal Elise territory!! IIRC mostly wide, highway types and the potholes!!! Must've sounded like it was coming apart!
One day you'll learn that performance is not all about speed - the Elise is one of the few cars, that, given the right road you can have a ball without exceeding the speed limit
chassis said:
My cousin did go round road and juctuin very fast in it.
It was OK but not special enough.
He got rid of elise and got Porsche instead.
This was much more faster and fun!
Elise is OK car but not as good as many other sport car.
>> Edited by chassis on Thursday 15th April 14:37
For Bahrain you're probably right (you'd fry with the roof off in summer), if outright speed is your thing then the Elise is not ideal as that's not what it's about.
I'd love to hear your opinions of the sports cars you think are better (not just faster
) neon_fox I used the word 'victim' as the car is having something done to it as opposed to supplying parts and recipient didn't seem right
My cousin had Porsch GT3 and Esprit Turbo and Ferrari 360 and one Bently.
He like car and like to drive much more than price of car.
Elise is not really special any more now as too many.
I see lot around Brighton and hove mainly drive very slowly and on busy road.
A bit sad for sport car used as town car.
He like car and like to drive much more than price of car.
Elise is not really special any more now as too many.
I see lot around Brighton and hove mainly drive very slowly and on busy road.
A bit sad for sport car used as town car.
theres been a lot of discusion about the choice of honda or toyota and if u compare the 2 or 2.2 honda unit then yes its more powerful but the 1.8 is more or less the same as the toyota unit an thats the 1 they probably would have used had they chosen honda. although i suppose they would have had the option of using more powerful variants in the future but then i'd be surprised if toyota didnt increase the displacement at some point. on a last note ppl have talked of honda power but theres 1 other engine i think would go very well an that would be the the mazda rotary as its light/compact high revving powerful and i belive would be much quieter for long dist cruising, just a thought anyway.
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