Komotec anyone?
Discussion
halfpenny43 said:
Thanks Scuffers. So if we don't want to wait for the EP ECU and SC/Turbo kit for the 2ZZ I think your saying that the "safest" upgrade path today is the Lotus SC kit ?
If you factor in the costs also, GBP4k for a fully fitted Lotus SC and stage 3 backbox by a Lotus Dealer seems like a cheap(er) option ?
Steven
as of today, probably....If you factor in the costs also, GBP4k for a fully fitted Lotus SC and stage 3 backbox by a Lotus Dealer seems like a cheap(er) option ?
Steven
that's not to say there are not some decent SC/turbo kit's out there, just that without a 100% sorted ECU solution, they all have issues.
once the EP ECU is out there (and we are talking days away), then people can use these to 'complete' their own kit's (what I am saying is that EP will be supplying other kit makers/tuners with this ECU)
if your not in a massive hurry, I would wait a bit....
The Eliseparts ECU is a matter of weeks away as far as I'm aware, it's running on an engine on the dyno this week to the best of my knowledge.
We're then putting it on a standard Exige S and a modified 2-Eleven that has just been upgraded by track-club with a chargecooler, fuel pump, 2.9" pulley, injectors, fuel rail and FPR. This set up is currently optimised with a safe AFR on the stock ECU and makes a consistent run after run power figure of 272bhp. The results with a proper ECU should be interesting.
The big benefit is the chargecooler, it's all very well having 260bhp for the first 2 minutes of operation but it's pretty pointless doing all the upgrades when you lose 20bhp when the car is up to temperature.
Stephen
www.track-club.com
We're then putting it on a standard Exige S and a modified 2-Eleven that has just been upgraded by track-club with a chargecooler, fuel pump, 2.9" pulley, injectors, fuel rail and FPR. This set up is currently optimised with a safe AFR on the stock ECU and makes a consistent run after run power figure of 272bhp. The results with a proper ECU should be interesting.
The big benefit is the chargecooler, it's all very well having 260bhp for the first 2 minutes of operation but it's pretty pointless doing all the upgrades when you lose 20bhp when the car is up to temperature.
Stephen
www.track-club.com
I have the car that RAVON has written a post on and confirm that the performance is stunning and so far has been 100% reliable, ECU programming has a very small glitch but Daniel at Komotec is always developing new maps and when i am at the ring i pop in and he upgrades to the latest spec.
I have also had many other mods that Komotec produce and their attention to detail is fantastic and i highly recommend this conversion.
NB Emerald are in the process of developing an ECU for the 111R and I look forward to see if it would enhance the performance even more
I have also had many other mods that Komotec produce and their attention to detail is fantastic and i highly recommend this conversion.
NB Emerald are in the process of developing an ECU for the 111R and I look forward to see if it would enhance the performance even more
Paver said:
I have the car that RAVON has written a post on and confirm that the performance is stunning and so far has been 100% reliable, ECU programming has a very small glitch but Daniel at Komotec is always developing new maps and when i am at the ring i pop in and he upgrades to the latest spec.
I have also had many other mods that Komotec produce and their attention to detail is fantastic and i highly recommend this conversion.
NB Emerald are in the process of developing an ECU for the 111R and I look forward to see if it would enhance the performance even more
I think a rotrex is also much quieter then the lotus superchargers and those other SC types?I have also had many other mods that Komotec produce and their attention to detail is fantastic and i highly recommend this conversion.
NB Emerald are in the process of developing an ECU for the 111R and I look forward to see if it would enhance the performance even more
they also have some nice cars to come...look at March
komotech said:
KOMO-TEC
DEVELOPMENT CALENDAR 2011
February
Presentation of our Evora S 400 with more than 400 PS
March
Presentation of our revolutionary Exige RS 400 with 400 PS Audi 2,0 liter turbocharged-direct injected powertrain with 6-speed paddleshift double-clutch transmission
April
Presentation of the Elise S (2011 model) with supercharger
May
Participation at the sport auto-Tuner Grand Prix in Hockenheim with our new concept car
June
Initiation of our new Superflow 880-dynometer (max. 1200 PS] [quote]
http://www.komo-tec.com/index.php
DEVELOPMENT CALENDAR 2011
February
Presentation of our Evora S 400 with more than 400 PS
March
Presentation of our revolutionary Exige RS 400 with 400 PS Audi 2,0 liter turbocharged-direct injected powertrain with 6-speed paddleshift double-clutch transmission
April
Presentation of the Elise S (2011 model) with supercharger
May
Participation at the sport auto-Tuner Grand Prix in Hockenheim with our new concept car
June
Initiation of our new Superflow 880-dynometer (max. 1200 PS] [quote]
http://www.komo-tec.com/index.php
Been happy with my Katana for three years and Sinclaires (Essex Autosport) have been excellent when I've wanted to add more power as they just fit new mods and remap the factory ECU accordingly using CharlieX's software. They've done loads of conversions and even charge cooled many beyond 300 horses. From my experience its a very reliable kit that delivers pretty good bang for buck.
Its nice to see more options coming to market for tuning the Toyota engine, if your happy to pay a grand for a new ECU then so be it along with paying someone to map your car. If you live in the south then a trip to Sinclaires (Essex Autosport) probably makes more sense.
Its nice to see more options coming to market for tuning the Toyota engine, if your happy to pay a grand for a new ECU then so be it along with paying someone to map your car. If you live in the south then a trip to Sinclaires (Essex Autosport) probably makes more sense.
After all the problems I've seen and heard about the Komotec kits with MY06 cars and beyond, there's no way I'd want any of those kits near my car. The ECU is the central point and there are aftermarket kits that have a custom ECU, for both MY04/05 or MY06 and beyond.
Adding to that, I wouldn't put anything into the car that doesn't have a decent charge-cooler either.
Adding to that, I wouldn't put anything into the car that doesn't have a decent charge-cooler either.
I have gone the Komotec route , and have been very happy (courtesy of Hanger 111)
I now have a little over 30,000 miles on my Exige S now (owned from new)
This started life as a std 218bhp S
it then went to Komotec 280S spec , charge cooler , exhaust + sports cat
(+ a quicksilver manifold / nitron shocks / stiffer eibach springs / stiffer arb / 240R forged alloys / AP big brake kit )
it then went to Komotec 300S
and finally to Komotec / Hanger 111 320S spec
(rolling roaded to what I seem to remember was 317bhp early last year)
(+ a couple of Reverie carbon bits over this winter's pampering session )
In my view the conversions have got better and better as we went along , in particular the accuracy of fuelling across the whole of the rev range
Greg at Hanger 111 is meticulous , and wont let a car go unless he is happy with it , and constantly errs on the side of safety.
whilst the Komotec kits are standard maps , all cars are different , and Greg works very closely with Komotec , and checks the fit of the map in each case
Yes the box is probably the limiting factor at this kind of power , and I would be concerned about it if I was beasting the car around the track constantly .
fortunately I have something else to fulfil that purpose , and the Exige is genuinely rapid road car that does the odd track day
There are stronger box internals that can be replaced , I don't know if that includes shafts , but I know that there are other options in the pipeline as well (talk to Greg)
There is always the option of an engine swap , but unless you want to go racing , or are chasing ultimate power , personally I just can't see the point
(wouldn't sop me buying a Type R Lotus , just don't want the hassle & expense of converting one !)
If you want to see the limits of the engine / box , take a look across the pond at what people in the States have been making them do
For me this has been a pleasure to own , with the only negative being the distance of the bi-annual trip to Hanger 111
I now have a little over 30,000 miles on my Exige S now (owned from new)
This started life as a std 218bhp S
it then went to Komotec 280S spec , charge cooler , exhaust + sports cat
(+ a quicksilver manifold / nitron shocks / stiffer eibach springs / stiffer arb / 240R forged alloys / AP big brake kit )
it then went to Komotec 300S
and finally to Komotec / Hanger 111 320S spec
(rolling roaded to what I seem to remember was 317bhp early last year)
(+ a couple of Reverie carbon bits over this winter's pampering session )
In my view the conversions have got better and better as we went along , in particular the accuracy of fuelling across the whole of the rev range
Greg at Hanger 111 is meticulous , and wont let a car go unless he is happy with it , and constantly errs on the side of safety.
whilst the Komotec kits are standard maps , all cars are different , and Greg works very closely with Komotec , and checks the fit of the map in each case
Yes the box is probably the limiting factor at this kind of power , and I would be concerned about it if I was beasting the car around the track constantly .
fortunately I have something else to fulfil that purpose , and the Exige is genuinely rapid road car that does the odd track day
There are stronger box internals that can be replaced , I don't know if that includes shafts , but I know that there are other options in the pipeline as well (talk to Greg)
There is always the option of an engine swap , but unless you want to go racing , or are chasing ultimate power , personally I just can't see the point
(wouldn't sop me buying a Type R Lotus , just don't want the hassle & expense of converting one !)
If you want to see the limits of the engine / box , take a look across the pond at what people in the States have been making them do
For me this has been a pleasure to own , with the only negative being the distance of the bi-annual trip to Hanger 111
Just to add to my last reply - different factors apply when upgrading a non SC car (the OPs car is a 111R sports-racer) to a SC kit than going from an Exige-S to a Komo-Tec XXXS kit. The former starts off with no inter-cooler or SC at all and requires a lot more work (therefore costs) and the ECU is also a different matter.
If it was my car I'd be upgrading (I actually did the same 5 years ago), I'd check the reliability of the kits and the known issues before upgrading. Factor in that the ECU of MY06 and beyond (drive-by-wire cars) are very different to the MY04/MY05 cars. There are known issues with drive-by-wire cars that have had an SC upgrade.
As others have also said, I wouldn't miss on an efficient charge-cooler either.
If it was my car I'd be upgrading (I actually did the same 5 years ago), I'd check the reliability of the kits and the known issues before upgrading. Factor in that the ECU of MY06 and beyond (drive-by-wire cars) are very different to the MY04/MY05 cars. There are known issues with drive-by-wire cars that have had an SC upgrade.
As others have also said, I wouldn't miss on an efficient charge-cooler either.
It would appear that the factory kit with an aftermarket chargecooler might be the best option. I'm surprised. Am I right in saying fitting a chargecooler requires no change in the ecu map? The theory being all it does is make the car drive like it does on a cold day. I'm also aware that one of the key benefits of the chargecooler is that it helps maintain power as well as increase it.
On the subject of chargecoolers, which is the best one out there for the Elise? As already mentioned my Sportsracer has '07 model year features such as drive by wire throttle and traction control.
On the subject of chargecoolers, which is the best one out there for the Elise? As already mentioned my Sportsracer has '07 model year features such as drive by wire throttle and traction control.
The Pits said:
On the subject of chargecoolers, which is the best one out there for the Elise? As already mentioned my Sportsracer has '07 model year features such as drive by wire throttle and traction control.
EP/TC have been working on one that will fit the Elise (as opposed to the Exige).Mister K said:
I'm not sure you can charge cool the factory kit, due to the inlet manifold casting, would be interesting to here from anyone who has.
Depends which SC kit your looking at, you need the one from the Exige NOT Elise, the Elise one is an M45 charger with no way to add an intercooler, the Exige one is an MP62 with the air to air over the engine intercooler, just loose that and re-plum for the EP/TC water one.ravon said:
Fancy meeting my friend "The Pits" here !
Yet another story ! When I first retired about five years ago, a friend asked me if I would take his Elise Toyota out to Nurburg to have a supercharger kit installed, the firm was Komotec in Mendig. I'd not driven an Elise since my very early S1, driving out I thought the variable valve timing of the Toyota engine was appalling, the power coming ludicrously high up the rev range, basically to me it felt like you had to rev the engines heart out to make any progress.
I arrived at Komotec and found a super tidy, neat little factory unit full of Elise's having all manner of conversions, some the Rotrex supercharger that "my car" was to be fitted with, Honda conversions, the then very new Duratec being developed. All the parts for the Rotrex kit were beautifully made. Two days later I returned, the kit was installed, and off we went to a TUV approved rolling road, and the car made ( from memory ) 276 bhp, run after run. Komotec showed me power curves from the factory Lotus Supercharged car, which lost significant amounts of power, run after run as the heat soak built up. My drive home to England was inspirational, the car was totally transformed, the variable valve timing reprogramed to operate at under 5000rpm and just a huge wave of torque.
My friend still has the car, he is a Nurburgring regular, he drives the car very, very hard, and it's still running without trouble, albeit as Scuffers intimates, the mapping is not perfect, but certainly livable with, but so far the hardware has been faultless !
Knowing how much "The Pits" loves the German's, I must tell you a small aside from this story, a German friend took me to Komotec the night before my appointment so that I could easily find them the next day. The "factory unit" next door to Komotec was lit up like a christmas tree, I asked what went on in the factory, my friend answer, "it's house of fun". Naively I asked "house of fun ?", he replied, " you know beatiful girls, money"...........
Watch out mate. You're begining to sound like Derek Smith ;-)Yet another story ! When I first retired about five years ago, a friend asked me if I would take his Elise Toyota out to Nurburg to have a supercharger kit installed, the firm was Komotec in Mendig. I'd not driven an Elise since my very early S1, driving out I thought the variable valve timing of the Toyota engine was appalling, the power coming ludicrously high up the rev range, basically to me it felt like you had to rev the engines heart out to make any progress.
I arrived at Komotec and found a super tidy, neat little factory unit full of Elise's having all manner of conversions, some the Rotrex supercharger that "my car" was to be fitted with, Honda conversions, the then very new Duratec being developed. All the parts for the Rotrex kit were beautifully made. Two days later I returned, the kit was installed, and off we went to a TUV approved rolling road, and the car made ( from memory ) 276 bhp, run after run. Komotec showed me power curves from the factory Lotus Supercharged car, which lost significant amounts of power, run after run as the heat soak built up. My drive home to England was inspirational, the car was totally transformed, the variable valve timing reprogramed to operate at under 5000rpm and just a huge wave of torque.
My friend still has the car, he is a Nurburgring regular, he drives the car very, very hard, and it's still running without trouble, albeit as Scuffers intimates, the mapping is not perfect, but certainly livable with, but so far the hardware has been faultless !
Knowing how much "The Pits" loves the German's, I must tell you a small aside from this story, a German friend took me to Komotec the night before my appointment so that I could easily find them the next day. The "factory unit" next door to Komotec was lit up like a christmas tree, I asked what went on in the factory, my friend answer, "it's house of fun". Naively I asked "house of fun ?", he replied, " you know beatiful girls, money"...........
I have been running the Komotech Evora S upgrade manifolds sports cat remap filter etc which in reality is around 385 bhp not 400 we checked it before we started at 339 bhp. checked on Daniels rolling road in Mendig getting max bhp only in 3rd gear, but the big difference is the increase mid range torque making the car a joy to drive free revving easier starting better in town done 5000 kms like this it really is so much better without those crappy Toyota cats and manifolds thoroughly recommend spending the 4K€ can't wait for next upgrade fitting a charge cooler in there is tight but i am sure they will find a way if enough people want it, the toyota block must be good for 450hp solid high compression engine surely stronger than anything lotus will build themselves we have been there before with our old esprits i still have one and dare not go too far in it.!
The Pits said:
What's the general consensus on these kits versus the lotus factory/katana route?
I have a Sportsracer (111r) and am thinking about uprating the toyota engine.
I wouldn't go there, but then again, I guess it depends on what choices and alternatives you have in the UK. I've driven the komotecs and I've driven with more than a few on several occasions. What I'd think about is if your car is MY04/05 or newer. If it's newer, (i.e. with drive-by-wire throttle) then the ECU could be still a problem. It may work, most of the time - but in the cases I've experienced 1st hand, the cars had issues, i.e. ECU forcing the car into 'emergency-mode' (2nd cam off) whilst driving. There were other issues, some which prompted my friend to eventually upgrade his car to the higher speced 300bhp version in the hope more invested money would yield better results, but continued problems had him eventually get rid of the car.I have a Sportsracer (111r) and am thinking about uprating the toyota engine.
This doesn't include the Exige-S upgrades - only the turbodrive kits. And I'm not sure if these issues still exist. I know they did, 2 years into production of the turbodrives, but eventually, most owners I know of moved on to Exige-Ss, so it's hard to tell.
trevleg said:
I have been running the Komotech Evora S upgrade manifolds sports cat remap filter etc which in reality is around 385 bhp not 400 we checked it before we started at 339 bhp. checked on Daniels rolling road in Mendig getting max bhp only in 3rd gear, but the big difference is the increase mid range torque making the car a joy to drive free revving easier starting better in town done 5000 kms like this it really is so much better without those crappy Toyota cats and manifolds thoroughly recommend spending the 4K€ can't wait for next upgrade fitting a charge cooler in there is tight but i am sure they will find a way if enough people want it, the toyota block must be good for 450hp solid high compression engine surely stronger than anything lotus will build themselves we have been there before with our old esprits i still have one and dare not go too far in it.!
Komotech...
Please post up your dyno sheets because we all know BHP is based on BS, let's see WHP...
Please show me one Toyota gearbox that can handle 385 BHP.... This is a joke right ?
Seriously if you want a car faster than a Porsche buy a Porsche and screw with it instead..... The standard Toyota gearbox is made of cheese...
Edited by the ronin on Tuesday 16th August 17:26
the ronin said:
Komotech...
Please post up your dyno sheets because we all know BHP is based on BS, let's see WHP...
Please show me one Toyota gearbox that can handle 385 BHP.... This is a joke right ?
Seriously if you want a car faster than a Porsche buy a Porsche and screw with it instead..... The standard Toyota gearbox is made of cheese...
I think he's talking about the Evora which has the V6 motor so coulod be true.Please post up your dyno sheets because we all know BHP is based on BS, let's see WHP...
Please show me one Toyota gearbox that can handle 385 BHP.... This is a joke right ?
Seriously if you want a car faster than a Porsche buy a Porsche and screw with it instead..... The standard Toyota gearbox is made of cheese...
Edited by the ronin on Tuesday 16th August 17:26
Ex77
Long thread but in answer to the OP: The Katana will always be the best bet. Why? Because its been tested on more cars than any other by a long way. Whatever you do will cost thousands so stick with as known and as proven a conversion as you possibly can.
The only exception to this is the Lotus kit but you don't get that much more power, the Katana, for a bit more cash puts you where you want to be.
There are new things coming out all the time but why make yourself the gineau pig?
The only exception to this is the Lotus kit but you don't get that much more power, the Katana, for a bit more cash puts you where you want to be.
There are new things coming out all the time but why make yourself the gineau pig?
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