RND power output 364bhp

RND power output 364bhp

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Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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gacksen said:
dvs_dave said:
A quick google of "RND TVR" brings up this thread and a couple of others as top results, and they're all full of bad information about RND/Autocraft. But what's really hurting them is that no worthwhile attempt has ever been made to justify, dispel or put right any of the considerable negative press shared which speaks volumes.
those threads are as old as two pictures of a valve shim posted in another thread. in comparison to powers there
seems to be a lack in communication. on the other hand if you ask powers specific questions you wont hear a single word too.
so not that much of a difference.

if all those things in the old threads are right why didn´t somebody come up with a court case ? havent read anything about that.
its not down to lack of communication it's courtesy to inform owners and engine builder to be aware of faulty material that will seriously damage engines if not replaced... The posting was made 2 yrs ago so it's relivant as I offer 3/5 years engine warranties to this day , hope this clear up matters.

Dom

DAVEY DEE

647 posts

153 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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If you want to wait nearly 2 yrs for an engine rebuild then you know where to go!I wonder how many times they have been threatened with court action before settling?????? I know at least 3 Inc myself.

All I got was excuses, stressed, & an engine which had to be rebuilt again...at least 5 different companies got involved trying to sort out the mess.My car was away for 6 weeks waiting for a service....obviously just "Devon time".

If a housing developer built a ramshackle house do you think they would just blame the builder & say " well the bricks are good so don't blame me!" If you hire a sub contractor you carry the can.

As for a biased war of lies waged against the company so the balance needs to be addressed....really????

If you are happy with DD & whichever agent he decides to use then good for you.But don't whinge about addressing a balance when you are in the minority.I will not go into my (obviously biased lol) details for fear of falling short of the name & shame rules.As for cost effectiveness then if time is money then forget it!! 6 weeks vs 18 months, throw in wasted annual leave days, petrol, wasted hotel bookings & days out , wasted tax & insurance (as you were promised your car back only for it not to be ready) etc etc & a few clichés come to mind:
Pay cheap pay twice.
You get what you pay for.
pay peanuts & you'll get monkeys.

V8 Griff-you pride yourself on knowing the facts-the facts given to you from whom?? Oh yes, that's right...DD..A bit one sided don't ya think??? At the end of the day, his business shouldn't need defending!!!

Like I said, if you are happy with your product & service congratulations-I am pleased for you, shout about it all you want, while the dissatisfied ones have to keep facts between themselves. ..

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Tvr Power said:
its not down to lack of communication it's courtesy to inform owners and engine builder to be aware of faulty material that will seriously damage engines if not replaced... The posting was made 2 yrs ago so it's relivant as I offer 3/5 years engine warranties to this day , hope this clear up matters.

Dom
Dom,
Here's power cams and followers after about 10k. It's the rear cylinders. My belief due to the wear pattern is in adequacy in the head casting but you can clearly see the follower wearing prematurely. I've binned the head, cams and followers.


gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Tvr Power said:
its not down to lack of communication it's courtesy to inform owners and engine builder to be aware of faulty material that will seriously damage engines if not replaced... The posting was made 2 yrs ago so it's relivant as I offer 3/5 years engine warranties to this day , hope this clear up matters.

Dom
depends on the point of view. of course people could say BMW engines are crap but
if you come up with something like this some more detailed info why this should be
is highly appreciated. if you refer to some sort of test or values they should be
correct otherwise it will just raise more questions. what you do like is saying
as less as possible and as much as necessary.

had this before ..... for sure you remeber the T350C with EX UK reg number T350SW the april
sprint car ?



if you don´t let me bring back some memories. I bought it from one of your customers 2014 before the mods while it was on the ramps at your workshop. could not come personally as due to work commitments but we both had been speaking on the phone in the moment you were standing in front of the car with the car raised in the air. was asking you about the condition of the car. especially the chassis condition. just to mention it again you said to me yes you stand in front of the car and you currently looking at it raised on the ramps....

said:
my question had been : is there any rust or corrosion on the chassis ? any technical problems ? condition of the interior ?

your answer and be sure i havent forgotten that : "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC"


in fact you never sent me the pictures you promised so i flew over and picked it up the week after it came back from your workshop at the customer in london buying it full of confidence based on the reputation of you i do read here.

said:
the car had been as you described it except of non adjusted tappets..... a fully shot airbox..... a shot engine mount..... a corroded chassis with flaking powder coating...... the whole underside with almost any part rusty in quite a bad state.....drivers seat fully worn.... carpets fully worn.....
The so called "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC" condition you can see here :






for sure it is easy to think the car is going in a different country won´t see and hear anything
from its buyer again so why not do the customer that spent 10 grand for the 4.3 upgrade a favor ? sure you could but don´t start to wonder if those kind of false statements sooner or later come right in front of your doorstep as it is not your time and money that is going in the car to fix
things you falsely stated.

Edited by gacksen on Saturday 6th June 16:14

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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gacksen said:
Tvr Power said:
its not down to lack of communication it's courtesy to inform owners and engine builder to be aware of faulty material that will seriously damage engines if not replaced... The posting was made 2 yrs ago so it's relivant as I offer 3/5 years engine warranties to this day , hope this clear up matters.

Dom
depends on the point of view. of course people could say BMW engines are crap but
if you come up with something like this some more detailed info why this should be
is highly appreciated. if you refer to some sort of test or values they should be
correct otherwise it will just raise more questions. what you do like is saying
as less as possible and as much as necessary.

had this before ..... for sure you remeber the T350C with EX UK reg number T350SW the april
sprint car ?



if you don´t let me bring back some memories. I bought it from one of your customers 2014 before the mods while it was on the ramps at your workshop. could not come personally as due to work commitments but we both had been speaking on the phone in the moment you were standing in front of the car with the car raised in the air. was asking you about the condition of the car. especially the chassis condition. just to mention it again you said to me yes you stand in front of the car and you currently looking at it raised on the ramps....

said:
my question had been : is there any rust or corrosion on the chassis ? any technical problems ? condition of the interior ?

your answer and be sure i havent forgotten that : "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC"


in fact you never sent me the pictures you promised so i flew over and picked it up the week after it came back from your workshop at the customer in london buying it full of confidence based on the reputation of you i do read here.

said:
the car had been as you described it except of non adjusted tappets..... a fully shot airbox..... a shot engine mount..... a corroded chassis with flaking powder coating...... the whole underside with almost any part rusty in quite a bad state.....drivers seat fully worn.... carpets fully worn.....
The so called "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC" condition you can see here :






for sure it is easy to think the car is going in a different country won´t see and hear anything
from its buyer again so why not do the customer that spent 10 grand for the 4.3 upgrade a favor ? sure you could but don´t start to wonder if those kind of false statements sooner or later come right in front of your doorstep as it is not your time and money that is going in the car to fix
things you falsely stated.

Edited by gacksen on Saturday 6th June 16:14
Gacksen yes I do recall this car and if you remember it needed a clutch prior to you buying i got in with the deal ,you bought the car very cheap and was told the chassis was rusty ok I got it wrong I didn't heavily dig away the chassis to purposely create hole when the car has a legit MOT , Why would I let a TVR out of the country knowing we could have got a chassis revamp before being sold , I don't sell used cars and I'm certainly not out there to screw customers over... So as for your question do I look over my shoulder No is the answer...

Dom

Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 08:38


Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 08:39

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Sunday 7th June 2015
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gacksen said:
Tvr Power said:
its not down to lack of communication it's courtesy to inform owners and engine builder to be aware of faulty material that will seriously damage engines if not replaced... The posting was made 2 yrs ago so it's relivant as I offer 3/5 years engine warranties to this day , hope this clear up matters.

Dom
depends on the point of view. of course people could say BMW engines are crap but
if you come up with something like this some more detailed info why this should be
is highly appreciated. if you refer to some sort of test or values they should be
correct otherwise it will just raise more questions. what you do like is saying
as less as possible and as much as necessary.

had this before ..... for sure you remeber the T350C with EX UK reg number T350SW the april
sprint car ?



if you don´t let me bring back some memories. I bought it from one of your customers 2014 before the mods while it was on the ramps at your workshop. could not come personally as due to work commitments but we both had been speaking on the phone in the moment you were standing in front of the car with the car raised in the air. was asking you about the condition of the car. especially the chassis condition. just to mention it again you said to me yes you stand in front of the car and you currently looking at it raised on the ramps....

said:
my question had been : is there any rust or corrosion on the chassis ? any technical problems ? condition of the interior ?

your answer and be sure i havent forgotten that : "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC"


in fact you never sent me the pictures you promised so i flew over and picked it up the week after it came back from your workshop at the customer in london buying it full of confidence based on the reputation of you i do read here.

said:
the car had been as you described it except of non adjusted tappets..... a fully shot airbox..... a shot engine mount..... a corroded chassis with flaking powder coating...... the whole underside with almost any part rusty in quite a bad state.....drivers seat fully worn.... carpets fully worn.....
The so called "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC" condition you can see here :






for sure it is easy to think the car is going in a different country won´t see and hear anything
from its buyer again so why not do the customer that spent 10 grand for the 4.3 upgrade a favor ? sure you could but don´t start to wonder if those kind of false statements sooner or later come right in front of your doorstep as it is not your time and money that is going in the car to fix
things you falsely stated.

Edited by gacksen on Saturday 6th June 16:14
Gacksen yes I do recall this car and if you remember it needed a clutch prior to you buying i got in with the deal ,you bought the car very cheap and was told the chassis was rusty ok I got it wrong I didn't heavily dig away the chassis to purposely create hole when the car has a legit MOT , Why would I let a TVR out of the country knowing we could have got a chassis revamp before being sold , I don't sell used cars and I'm certainly not out there to screw customers over... So as for your question do I look over my shoulder No is the answer...

Dom

Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 08:38


Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 08:40

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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m4tti said:
Tvr Power said:
its not down to lack of communication it's courtesy to inform owners and engine builder to be aware of faulty material that will seriously damage engines if not replaced... The posting was made 2 yrs ago so it's relivant as I offer 3/5 years engine warranties to this day , hope this clear up matters.

Dom
Dom,
Here's power cams and followers after about 10k. It's the rear cylinders. My belief due to the wear pattern is in adequacy in the head casting but you can clearly see the follower wearing prematurely. I've binned the head, cams and followers.

You've scrapped the head ? Obviously you have far to much money to waste , let me guess you have the fff head now, Irrespective to the mileage you should have called me instead of bhing me of here on the forum , it's in my interest to look what's causing wear , you agree ? I don't mind a roasting on these forums but to use excuses like the casting are wrong and it's my fault for premature failures is a bit below the belt..

Dom




TA14

12,722 posts

257 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Tvr Power said:
You've scrapped the head ? Obviously you have far to much money to waste, let me guess you have the fff head now, Dom
Good guess: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Tvr Power said:
You've scrapped the head ? Obviously you have far to much money to waste , let me guess you have the fff head now, Irrespective to the mileage you should have called me instead of bhing me of here on the forum , it's in my interest to look what's causing wear , you agree ? I don't mind a roasting on these forums but to use excuses like the casting are wrong and it's my fault for premature failures is a bit below the belt..

Dom
Dom, that post was typed in a bit of a hurry, and came across poorly. When I say binned, that's a poor choice of word. Its binned in relation to the new build I've done and I have it sat on the side. I intend at some point for fun refurbish it and put it on my spare block.

I didn't bother you regarding the wear as the top end work had already been done when I bought the car, and the wear wasn't the primary reason that I rebuilt the engine

No bhing here, just thought it was of mild interest to those who have an interest in all things mechanical and speed six. And as an aside I don't think its the cams or followers.

dvs_dave

8,581 posts

224 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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gacksen said:
dvs_dave said:
A quick google of "RND TVR" brings up this thread and a couple of others as top results, and they're all full of bad information about RND/Autocraft. But what's really hurting them is that no worthwhile attempt has ever been made to justify, dispel or put right any of the considerable negative press shared which speaks volumes.
those threads are as old as two pictures of a valve shim posted in another thread. in comparison to powers there
seems to be a lack in communication. on the other hand if you ask powers specific questions you wont hear a single word too.
so not that much of a difference.

if all those things in the old threads are right why didn´t somebody come up with a court case ? havent read anything about that.
Some are old, but this one isn't. Point is that there's nothing good being said on any thread, or meaningful rebuttal new or old so if you still went ahead despite a litany of historic bad press then more fool you.

dvs_dave

8,581 posts

224 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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m4tti said:
Dom,
Here's power cams and followers after about 10k. It's the rear cylinders. My belief due to the wear pattern is in adequacy in the head casting but you can clearly see the follower wearing prematurely. I've binned the head, cams and followers.

Was that a full Power rebuild or just a home done parts swap? If the latter then it's not on to insinuate that it's Dom's fault when there's hundreds of engines out there with the same parts built by Dom without issue?


Edited by dvs_dave on Monday 8th June 20:16

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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dvs_dave said:
You did the build yourself though? It's not on to insinuate that it's Dom's fault when there's hundreds of engines out there with the same parts built by Dom without issue? I'd suggest the reason for this is builder error rather than a parts quality issue?

Edited by dvs_dave on Monday 8th June 20:01
No I didn't build that head. If you read the above you'll see I mention it was work the previous owner had done for him. And just to help you out there's not a lot I can think of when installing cams, you could do wrong to generate that wear pattern. Have you built any engines?

Sorry to sound patronising but unless you've actually pulled one of these apart then you can't really comment on any builder errors.. And compared to most engines it is very simple...

And i didn't insunuate it was doms products, again read last post. Keep up old bean.


Edited by m4tti on Monday 8th June 20:22

dvs_dave

8,581 posts

224 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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I edited my post, but you got in there beforehand

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Edited mine too.. Dam iPhone spell checker biggrin

No the previous chap definitely didn't do it himself.

Tvr Power

1,076 posts

205 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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m4tti said:
Tvr Power said:
You've scrapped the head ? Obviously you have far to much money to waste , let me guess you have the fff head now, Irrespective to the mileage you should have called me instead of bhing me of here on the forum , it's in my interest to look what's causing wear , you agree ? I don't mind a roasting on these forums but to use excuses like the casting are wrong and it's my fault for premature failures is a bit below the belt..

Dom
Dom, that post was typed in a bit of a hurry, and came across poorly. When I say binned, that's a poor choice of word. Its binned in relation to the new build I've done and I have it sat on the side. I intend at some point for fun refurbish it and put it on my spare block.

I didn't bother you regarding the wear as the top end work had already been done when I bought the car, and the wear wasn't the primary reason that I rebuilt the engine

No bhing here, just thought it was of mild interest to those who have an interest in all things mechanical and speed six. And as an aside I don't think its the cams or followers.
Ok point taken, courtesy call would have been appreciated as you know I'm an uneducated Coventry kid who takes everything on board good or bad , I'm pleased your happy with you fff package let's see if she lasts for 100,000 miles and parts will be readily available after 15yrs as per finger followers packages

Dom

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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You never know Dom I may get bored and pull it all apart again. I think your 4.3 crank, with my fff head, and the syvecs install I've just finished could be a bit special. Like I've mentioned on other threads I'll buy what I believe is the best of breed and don't care who actually retails it!

Then there's the retro fitting of variable cam timing. If only I had more hours in the day... That could well be the ultimate in line six on the planet.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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From what I have read (and I have read almost every single thread and post in the TVR forums over the past 12 years), if you buy components from RND, there is no problems. However, it seems to be a bit of a lottery if you take your actual car there, and I'd wager that's a lottery that most would not like to gamble on.

I could be wrong, but that's the general feeling I get when reading the posts over the years.

Don1

15,936 posts

207 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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m4tti said:
You never know Dom I may get bored and pull it all apart again. I think your 4.3 crank, with my fff head, and the syvecs install I've just finished could be a bit special. Like I've mentioned on other threads I'll buy what I believe is the best of breed and don't care who actually retails it!

Then there's the retro fitting of variable cam timing. If only I had more hours in the day... That could well be the ultimate in line six on the planet.
I wouldn't be following that course of action with much interest at all.... Nope, nothing for me there.... wink

gacksen

680 posts

142 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Tvr Power said:
Gacksen yes I do recall this car and if you remember it needed a clutch prior to you buying i got in with the deal ,you bought the car very cheap and was told the chassis was rusty ok I got it wrong I didn't heavily dig away the chassis to purposely create hole when the car has a legit MOT , Why would I let a TVR out of the country knowing we could have got a chassis revamp before being sold , I don't sell used cars and I'm certainly not out there to screw customers over... So as for your question do I look over my shoulder No is the answer...

Dom

Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 08:38


Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 08:39
Dom, i have asked specific questions on the phone and i got specific answers from you in return.
there is no room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation in regards of the cars condition as per your answer.

said:
your answer and be sure i havent forgotten that : "no there is no rust..... it´s just dirty... no technical problems and the interior is in need of a little TLC"
chassis of the car above is as i got it.

the car got valuated by you over the phone as beeing cheap for 28000 pound.
it was advertised for 26500 and i bought it for 25000 pounds. anybody
may well judge by himself if 25000 pounds is cheap or expensive in regards
of the cars condition.

the situation we have right now is that

said:
i have to solve issues with a car that i would not have bought if your
description would have been honest and we are not just talking about the issues
with the chassis. i would not have bought the car if you would have sent me the
promised pictures of the chassis that you never did.
my time and my several thousand pounds solve issues with a car that could have
been avoided in the first place if your description of the cars condition
would have been true but as a matter of fact it wasnt.


Quentin1

468 posts

243 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Always inspect personally...ALWAYS. When buying blind you get what you paid for. Why not leaving it behind after personal inspection at the pick up date?

As for Dom´s customer care:

-Rebuilt a speed six in Germany, bought parts from Powers, camshaft bearing got shot after a few hundred miles, Dom heavily discounted new head, although ist was a 99,9% owners problem

-Bought a T350 at another TVR famous place, got stranded at Powers workshop literally in front of the door. ECU problem. Dom got ECU from his Sagrais, changed the chip and got me rolling in no time to let me catch ma Hull ferry. Even sorted the part exchange problem with "the others" for me.

-Bought a Tam, picked up sports exhaust at Powers. Lambda Earth mod was done at no cost, since engine was hunting a little.
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There are ups and downs, but blaming on the internet will not solve anyones problems. Phone calls always appreciated, especially as one has to run a business and people might get a wrong opinion without personal experience. You know how such things can go viral...

My view.

Björn.


Edited by Quentin1 on Tuesday 9th June 15:17