RND power output 364bhp

RND power output 364bhp

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spitfire4v8

3,992 posts

181 months

Sunday 6th April 2014
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V8 GRF said:
DAVEY DEE said:
.And I believe TVRSSW did Udo's..
Udo blew his engine up all on his own. After having run it home straight from the build at excessive speeds for a new engine he then had it mapped in Germany by an outfit that implemented rev limiting by leaning off the fuel!!
This is how TVR did it in the MBE ecu originally anyway though ..

V8 GRF said:
Apparently he has has a history of this.
A history of what? Blowing up engines? What did rnd promise him? An engine of higher quality that would withstand his driving style? Would be interesting to hear the customer's side of that .

V8 GRF said:
Black Six's engine isn't straightforward as it's intended to replace an LS engine in an E-Type Jaguar. It's going to run on carbs so needed a new inlet set-up creating and manufacturing.
Seems strange to a layman why things would take much longer for a carb fed engine even allowing for bespoke inlet fabrication.

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Sunday 6th April 2014
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spitfire4v8 said:
V8 GRF said:
DAVEY DEE said:
.And I believe TVRSSW did Udo's..
Udo blew his engine up all on his own. After having run it home straight from the build at excessive speeds for a new engine he then had it mapped in Germany by an outfit that implemented rev limiting by leaning off the fuel!!
This is how TVR did it in the MBE ecu originally anyway though ..

V8 GRF said:
Apparently he has has a history of this.
A history of what? Blowing up engines? What did rnd promise him? An engine of higher quality that would withstand his driving style? Would be interesting to hear the customer's side of that .

V8 GRF said:
Black Six's engine isn't straightforward as it's intended to replace an LS engine in an E-Type Jaguar. It's going to run on carbs so needed a new inlet set-up creating and manufacturing.
Seems strange to a layman why things would take much longer for a carb fed engine even allowing for bespoke inlet fabrication.
It doesn't take too much to see the wheat from the chaff....


Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Sunday 6th April 2014
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are people still using RND?

coetzeeh

2,648 posts

236 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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DAVEY DEE said:
Ey up Jools:

To my knowledge...

Mine, Jims & 2 others have been reported.
What were the issues with your engine? You mentioned engine mounts previously but no further detail?

Jim not on the road yet? As I understand it he agreed settlement in August last year - I thought he'd be back on the road by now.

Hope you have a good summer's driving ahead.

V8 GRF

7,294 posts

210 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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spitfire4v8 said:
V8 GRF said:
DAVEY DEE said:
.And I believe TVRSSW did Udo's..
Udo blew his engine up all on his own. After having run it home straight from the build at excessive speeds for a new engine he then had it mapped in Germany by an outfit that implemented rev limiting by leaning off the fuel!!
This is how TVR did it in the MBE ecu originally anyway though ..
Well whatever they did leaned out the engine too much

spitfire4v8 said:
V8 GRF said:
Apparently he has has a history of this.
A history of what? Blowing up engines? What did rnd promise him? An engine of higher quality that would withstand his driving style? Would be interesting to hear the customer's side of that .
Yes damaging his engines. I don't know if anyone can build engines to withstand abuse? I understand he admitted his mistakes.

spitfire4v8 said:
V8 GRF said:
Black Six's engine isn't straightforward as it's intended to replace an LS engine in an E-Type Jaguar. It's going to run on carbs so needed a new inlet set-up creating and manufacturing.
Seems strange to a layman why things would take much longer for a carb fed engine even allowing for bespoke inlet fabrication.
Dunno on that one...

BlackSix

43 posts

140 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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spitfire4v8 said:
Do we know how many engines Dom is sorting out? What happened to the guy from the states? Did he get his engine?
Spitfire, you have given me a real shock! I would have thought that everyone on this forum would have given me up for lost months ago. In answer to your question, no, I have yet to receive the engine. My entire project build is now in a holding pattern awaiting arrival of the S6. The engine build started in August of 2012, as I recall. It is indeed a more complex build than simply a "rebuild' or upgrade of the standard S6. Since it will be running on Webers (for the sake of authenticity and under-the-hood aesthetics - I do not want to defile the Faberge-like quality of the original E-Type design) and will need to sit vertically in the engine bay there were some special items which needed to be manufactured. In addition there are clearance issues at the engine bell housing which also required a bit of re-engineering. Fortunately, Chris at Devon seems to have a very intimate working knowledge of the Series 1 E-Type and was able to deal with the clearance issues.

But still, one would think that 18 plus months would be a sufficient amount of time to complete the engine. Am I concerned? At this point I would have to be a fool not to have some level of concern - especially considering the fact that I paid up front for the project to "help" expedite things. I still have hope that all will be successfully concluded in the near term. We shall see. I will keep the group posted.

In any event, the car WILL be built. And it WILL have a carbureted Speed Six (which oddly is a near "dead ringer" for the XK straight six in layout and every dimension (except weight which was my biggest concern with the Jag engine). The S6 will shed 200 plus pounds over the XK engine and deliver far more power at the same time. I would imagine that SPRINT magazine and possibly others will have an interest in this project.

natben

2,743 posts

231 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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Good luck Black six, l really really hope you get what you have paid for and it works well.
And as you say please keep us informed of the outcome.!

BlackSix

43 posts

140 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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natben said:
Good luck Black six, l really really hope you get what you have paid for and it works well.
And as you say please keep us informed of the outcome.!
I have now been advised that the entire drive train (engine with Webers, plus transmission) Will ship on 12 May, following a DYNO run. Needless to say, I am quite excited. Will continue to keep you all advised.

s6boy

1,624 posts

225 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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BlackSix having followed your patient wait on what must be a passionate project I wish you the ...ahem...best of British, and hope things go smoothly from here on. Looking forward to the update.

BlackSix

43 posts

140 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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s6boy said:
BlackSix having followed your patient wait on what must be a passionate project I wish you the ...ahem...best of British, and hope things go smoothly from here on. Looking forward to the update.
As am I, S6Boy, as am I. And thanks for the encouragement.

donski58

343 posts

158 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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BlackSix said:
I have now been advised that the entire drive train (engine with Webers, plus transmission) Will ship on 12 May, following a DYNO run. Needless to say, I am quite excited. Will continue to keep you all advised.
I have seen your engine at Devon Racing, I know it is yours because the stage 3 head is painted gold. I understand that it is going for a dyno session soon.

Don

spitfire4v8

3,992 posts

181 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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BlackSix said:
I have now been advised that the entire drive train (engine with Webers, plus transmission) Will ship on 12 May, following a DYNO run. Needless to say, I am quite excited. Will continue to keep you all advised.
Hopefully your engine etc is on its way to you now ? smile What were the numbers off the dyno ?

BlackSix

43 posts

140 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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spitfire4v8 said:
BlackSix said:
I have now been advised that the entire drive train (engine with Webers, plus transmission) Will ship on 12 May, following a DYNO run. Needless to say, I am quite excited. Will continue to keep you all advised.
Hopefully your engine etc is on its way to you now ? smile What were the numbers off the dyno ?
Spitfire, I have no news to report as of yet. No confirmation that the drivetrain is about to ship, nor any updates as to when it will ship. Will keep you all advised, and thank you all for your interest, concern and support during this project.
Surely it will be completed shortly.

natben

2,743 posts

231 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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Yea, keep us updated please, I love the sound of your project.

Lets hope RND will deliver you a reliable well built engine soon. 20 months is a long time to wait and they could have updated you on the progress of your build and when It would ship, particularly as they have missed the last shipment date. An update as to the current status of the engine build would have been the correct thing for them to do having missed that date.

Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Friday 16th May 2014
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Keep very clear records of communications, specification requests, estimates etc
Also ensure that all the parts you supplied or that you paid for have been used.

s6boy

1,624 posts

225 months

Friday 16th May 2014
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BlackSix said:
Spitfire, I have no news to report as of yet. No confirmation that the drivetrain is about to ship, nor any updates as to when it will ship. Will keep you all advised, and thank you all for your interest, concern and support during this project.
Surely it will be completed shortly.
Very disappointed to hear this.

glow worm

5,846 posts

227 months

Friday 16th May 2014
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I think we've been here before or is it Deja Vu ?

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Friday 16th May 2014
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spitfire4v8 said:
I don't know bob is the answer really .. though on the tamora its the back box you should be changing not the bore of the intermediate pipework .. the S exhaust is only bigger bore once past the gearbox so it's not going to add anything to your hp. The rear box (or boxes if you have sports boxes) is where the hp is limited.
Interesting. I always thought that the exhaust system, from the manifolds to the rear pipes were larger in diameter for the Tuscan S!

BlackpoolRock

1,183 posts

152 months

Wednesday 21st May 2014
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BlackSix said:
It is indeed a more complex build than simply a "rebuild' or upgrade of the standard S6. Since it will be running on Webers (for the sake of authenticity and under-the-hood aesthetics - I do not want to defile the Faberge-like quality of the original E-Type design)
Great to see a different approach being done on the S6. It will sound superb on webers too ! I'll look forward to seeing the updates on this one. Good luck.

BlackSix

43 posts

140 months

Wednesday 21st May 2014
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BlackpoolRock said:
Great to see a different approach being done on the S6. It will sound superb on webers too ! I'll look forward to seeing the updates on this one. Good luck.
My engine is now in queue for the Dyno at Devon Racing. Stay tuned.