Calling Black Six

Calling Black Six

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DAVEY DEE

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647 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd March 2015
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Are you still about???I hope you are well.
If you recall we spoke along time ago now & I am seriously hoping your RND built engine is going well in your jag.How have you got on coz it must be well over 2yrs ago since you commissioned it now.

How has it gone as we havent heard much about the project lately.

spitfire4v8

3,990 posts

180 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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The conversation about the engine dried up on the other thread. Does anyone else have an engine in build at the moment? They must be nervous ..

BlackSix

43 posts

139 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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DAVEY DEE said:
Are you still about???I hope you are well.
If you recall we spoke along time ago now & I am seriously hoping your RND built engine is going well in your jag.How have you got on coz it must be well over 2yrs ago since you commissioned it now.

How has it gone as we havent heard much about the project lately.
Still waiting for the engine to ship. Apparently it is crated and ready to ship, but I still have no word as to when it will ship. Soon..............hopefully.

Don1

15,936 posts

207 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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And the video of it on the dyno? Is that boxed and ready to be shipped as well?

BlackSix

43 posts

139 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Don1 said:
And the video of it on the dyno? Is that boxed and ready to be shipped as well?
Call me an optimist (or a fool?). Hope springs eternal.

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Think I'd be contemplating a small holiday to the south west of England accompanied by a pallet freight company, who can wrap it up and deliver it to your chosen port for shipping.

Have you been informed what the hold up is now.

These guys are pretty dumb.. This was a decent opportunity to demonstrate that they could deliver a quality product on time, and turn their dreadful reputation around. Instead they've demonstrated they can relieve customers of money and deliver nothing.


monty quick

230 posts

235 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Surely RND monitor what we say.
Why on earth do they not respond. What a fantastic piece of PR this would give them :- a customer who has stayed loyal to them and wants to use one of their engine developments in a really exciting project.
I really hope it works out for Black Six

BlackSix

43 posts

139 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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monty quick said:
Surely RND monitor what we say.
Why on earth do they not respond. What a fantastic piece of PR this would give them :- a customer who has stayed loyal to them and wants to use one of their engine developments in a really exciting project.
I really hope it works out for Black Six
As do I Monty. The objective here is simply not to build just one of these "re-imagined" E-types, but a number of them (depending on market demand). You chaps in the UK are probably not aware of this, but Series 1 (and 1.5) E-type shells are plentiful (and inexpensive) here in the states. In the western US rust is not so much of an issue. (I have a 1964 FHC that spent it's entire life in Las Vegas prior to my purchasing it. It is pristine.) So there is a lot of "raw material" to work with. AND there are a lot of E-type enthusiasts here.

My objective ultimately is to produce a E-type along the lines of the Singer Porsche - an interpretation of the original which remains entirely true to the essence of the original, but with a greatly augmented performance envelope.

In my opinion Eagle attempted something along those same lines, but strayed too far from the original when they built the Eagle Speedster. Definitely a beautiful piece of engineering, but possibly a bridge too far. (Plus it is far too expensive) I think there is a demand for a "purer" interpretation of the masterpiece which Malcolm Sayer penned all those years ago. That is my objective.

So there is more in play here than a single engine - an a larger opportunity, too. (For someone)

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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I hate to say it and these comments will sound harsh, but if that's your plan then there's a few flaws.. Which you may already be aware of.

The blocks are no longer available and are finite in number with the castings having been destroyed by urbanhurst. I'm not sure any TVR company with strong ties to the tvr community would want to be seen reducing a finite resource even further by supplying engines outside of this community.

Then there is the due diligence which I presume didnt take place as the supplier in question has had many limited company names all of which have been dissolved or struck off at companies house.

Note I have no axe to grind, these were simply findings to my own investigation when I rebuilt my own engine.

Sagi Badger

588 posts

192 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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I know it gets better than that..... I have an oil pump shaft that I fished out of a modified pump, seems very soft and has a peculiar tapered end caused by wear in the needle roller bearing. Ummmhhh.

Based on my findings I would proceed with extreme caution using one of these

Jay964rs

257 posts

194 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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If its of any benefit, my RND built engine is still going strong after 2.5 years.
No complaints.

BlackSix

43 posts

139 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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boardinscotland said:
Yup and these pumps that are modified can hurt your engine quite badly (twice). Thankfully I have a Str8six 4.3 now.




G
According to Chris at Devon, when these pumps are modified to increase output, it is essential to modify the needle bearings at the same time. Otherwise, yes those bearings do fail, showering the entire system with fragments of the tiny needles and resulting in catastrophic failure. (This is what I was told)

BlackSix

43 posts

139 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Jay964rs said:
If its of any benefit, my RND built engine is still going strong after 2.5 years.
No complaints.
Thank you for that positive input, Jay. That is comforting - especially considering my current situation.

DAVEY DEE

Original Poster:

647 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Hi Jay. Was the engine rebuilt before you bought your car?

DAVEY DEE

Original Poster:

647 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Unfortunately black six all I got was excuse after excuse until it came to the point where I decidedto go to court to get things sorted.I hope you can find a way to force the issue to a conclusion.There really is no excuse for a time delay of this length.How has the rest of the project progressed??

shake n bake

2,221 posts

206 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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it seems from the stuff I read on here this lot are true Cowboys? They're only up the road from me as well.

Sagi Badger

588 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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BlackSix said:
According to Chris at Devon, when these pumps are modified to increase output, it is essential to modify the needle bearings at the same time. Otherwise, yes those bearings do fail, showering the entire system with fragments of the tiny needles and resulting in catastrophic failure. (This is what I was told)
I found that the shaft was soft and had 40 odd thou wear, the needle roller was intact. To rectify I put a larger SKF needle roller in the block, socket bored to suit (there is enough material there) and a shaft made from EN24 with an inner ring from SKF to run in the needle roller. The larger size still has a speed rating way over the max shaft speed so I have a much better set up. The idea of broader rotor and scroll housed in a modified body is quite clever but the quality control seems to have let the thing down. Any fragments passing the pump, if they do make it without destroying the pump, will get caught in the filter unless it is in bypass.... so yes not good.



J

Jay964rs

257 posts

194 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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Yes, the rebuild was done with the previous owner.
The rebuilt engine had done 4k before I bought it and I've done a further 8k.
Very happy with the engine performance and no issues to report.
The rest of the car is usual TVR challenges!

BlackSix

43 posts

139 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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Sagi Badger said:
I found that the shaft was soft and had 40 odd thou wear, the needle roller was intact. To rectify I put a larger SKF needle roller in the block, socket bored to suit (there is enough material there) and a shaft made from EN24 with an inner ring from SKF to run in the needle roller. The larger size still has a speed rating way over the max shaft speed so I have a much better set up. The idea of broader rotor and scroll housed in a modified body is quite clever but the quality control seems to have let the thing down. Any fragments passing the pump, if they do make it without destroying the pump, will get caught in the filter unless it is in bypass.... so yes not good.

J
Chris never mentioned the soft shaft (possibly he had not run across one like this) However, boring the block to receive a larger bearing is exactly what he said was essential, as the small bearing is simply not up to the task when confronted with the higher stresses from the increased pump size.

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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BlackSix said:
Chris never mentioned the soft shaft
Either he's been to the Doctor or you've got a way with words ....


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