Rebuild Advice?
Discussion
Tuska said:
Hi Barry, you have a point of course. My Ferrari was 1982. However, the comparrison is really one of current second hand purchase values. ie. 10k to 25k. There is great value out there just now (have you read the latest Classic Car mag yet? there is a good feature on this very subject) BUT i think we should all be aware that big boys toys can have big boys bills whether they are TVR's, Ferraris, Porkers or anything else.
As for the Ferrari V12 engine, the basic block has been in use since around 1950. Derivatives have been in production upto very recent times and parts should not be an issue BUT THEY ARE. Also, rebuild costs are higher, dealerships are an arrogant pain and independant mechanics rare.
Again, i do not defend the S6 or TVR's attitude BUT they are not the only ones and IMHO the availability of independants and the competition that this generates means we actually get CHEAP exotic ownership I think this is lost on these threads sometimes.
I used to own a 456 - beautiful car, actually rather reliable and not too bad to service. However, you wouldn't want to have to buy a new engine - I think 40,000 was about the figure I heard mentioned. Having said that, with servicing and sensible treatment, it never missed a beat and it'd done over 30,000 when I bought it, so don't think that a ferrari is unreliable. True, parts can be pricey, but when compared to the percentage cost of the car, they are no more than a Mondeo (in fact, often they cost less). TVR seem to have the running costs of the big beasts from Modena, without the reliability and that is going to kill the company unless they rectify it (that includes, say, a 50% reduction in the cost of rebuilding the engine to proper working spec for all current Speed Sixes on the road as a way of recognising the fact they screwed their customers and are doing something about it). Only when that is rectified should TVR launch new models, otherwise it is just polishing a turd in a business sense - the company will still have the bad reputation, people will still go "oooh, nice car" and not buy it because it'll break and TVR will go under again.
cybertrophic said:
parts can be pricey, but when compared to the percentage cost of the car, they are no more than a Mondeo
Assuming every car uses an equal number of parts (give or take), and that all dealers/manufacturers are trying to turn a similar percentage profit, surely it's a fairly normal thing for the parts to be a standard percentage cost of the car?
Sorry, just late-night, post-drink musing...
If people are going to compare the two, what exactly are you getting for your 150k for a new 456 over 45k for a new Tuscan? I'm really pleased that Ferrari fix problems for free etc, but with a £105k slush fund I reckon I could run my faster Tuscan for quite a while and still have change left.
basil brush said:
If people are going to compare the two, what exactly are you getting for your 150k for a new 456 over 45k for a new Tuscan? I'm really pleased that Ferrari fix problems for free etc, but with a £105k slush fund I reckon I could run my faster Tuscan for quite a while and still have change left.
it's more the fact you can get a 456 for £30k secondhand and still get the service, whereas £20-£30k on a secondhand TVR guarantees even worse service from TVR than if you bought new...
cybertrophic said:
If people are going to compare the two, what exactly are you getting for your 150k for a new 456 over 45k for a new Tuscan? I'm really pleased that Ferrari fix problems for free etc, but with a £105k slush fund I reckon I could run my faster Tuscan for quite a while and still have change left.
it's more the fact you can get a 456 for £30k secondhand and still get the service, whereas £20-£30k on a secondhand TVR guarantees even worse service from TVR than if you bought new...
I know what you mean but someone, somewhere has paid Ferrari £150k+ for the car. If TVR sold cars for that money I'm sure they could afford to give free rebuilds for several years and keep the odd clutch in stock. I was just making the point that it's apples and oranges again.
basil brush said:
If people are going to compare the two, what exactly are you getting for your 150k for a new 456 over 45k for a new Tuscan? I'm really pleased that Ferrari fix problems for free etc, but with a £105k slush fund I reckon I could run my faster Tuscan for quite a while and still have change left.
it's more the fact you can get a 456 for £30k secondhand and still get the service, whereas £20-£30k on a secondhand TVR guarantees even worse service from TVR than if you bought new...
I know what you mean but someone, somewhere has paid Ferrari £150k+ for the car. If TVR sold cars for that money I'm sure they could afford to give free rebuilds for several years and keep the odd clutch in stock. I was just making the point that it's apples and oranges again.
I think cybertrophic has it right. Ferrari have their money up front.
Also, my point was that i found servicing of my second hand Ferrari to be expensive AND i found parts in short supply. However, my experience with my Tusc has been very different. It seems to me that the increased number of independant specialist TVR companies (such as TopCats) results in healthy competition and lower prices.
Despite the S6 engine being 'fragile' i think there is a very high bang for buck.
blutusc said:
Come on james.......TSO GT2..... sublimely styled??????? more like
Simon
PS when are you going to send me your quiet cans.....?
Royal Mail should be taking good care of them *shudders at the thought*.
And yeah, 1x GT2 please.
Could do with the front/side/rear all being the same design (would go for slightly different headlights and a bulkier stance, to be honest, but then it wouldn't really be based on the TSO at all!)Gassing Station | Speed Six Engine | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff