RE: Bowers

Monday 14th November 2016

Bowers & Wilkins: PH Meets

Want a personal concert on your commute? B&W are the people to speak to!



Car stereos were largely an afterthought up to the mid-90s - left to those who preferred to retrofit their own systems: huge subwoofers, amplifiers, 6x9s in the parcel shelf and tweeters throughout the cabin, that sort of thing. That era is over and high-end speaker manufacturers are moving into the automotive sector. Names like Harman, Naim and Bowers and Wilkins among many more can now be found on options lists. It could be overlooked when ticking the £3,000 Sensus Connect with Premium sound box that this XC90 is fitted with, but Bowers & Wilkins consider themselves what is known as a 'second-tier' supplier; misleadingly this means that no better option should be available to the customer, by working with manufacturers to get the best out of the cabin architecture.

What better test vehicle?
What better test vehicle?
History lesson
John Bowers was an avid concertgoer concerned by the quality of sound reproduced at performances, and set about improving existing loudspeaker designs. He wanted the sound to accurately portray one that was heard in the studio when the song was first recorded.

After amicably parting ways with his friend Roy Wilkins (with whom he had run a radio shop after WWII), Bowers set up 'B&W Loudspeakers Ltd' in 1966 and the company has grown since then. Now with multiple factories -  the Worthing HQ deals with the pinnacle Nautilus and 800 series loudspeaker ranges, with new media including headphones and Bluetooth speakers produced in China - Bowers & Wilkins is one of the most highly regarded audio companies.

John Bowers' quote, "The best loudspeaker isn't the one that gives the most, it's one that loses the least" is proudly displayed in the visitors' centre as a reminder that chasing perfection can never be an afterthought. Catchy. Throughout the factory tour, from the pair of Rosenut wood veneer finishes for the 800 series to the synthetically grown diamond domes used in the tweeter heads and the yellow Kevlar used in the mid-range speakers, most jobs and machines are unique to the company. Throughout the process, labels show the person who built it and when it was made.

Concert hall added at Volvo's request
Concert hall added at Volvo's request
Science of sound
Sound is, very basically, the variation of air pressure. The human hearing range is between 20Hz and 20,000Hz, with a greater sensitivity between 1,000 and 4,000Hz. If a speaker's maximum range is similar to that of a human ear, the distortions in the airwaves will greatly alter the sound. Aluminium and synthetic diamond used in the B&W tweeters have a maximum frequency of 30,000Hz and 70,000Hz respectively, meaning that no matter how loud you turn up the volume the sound is just as clear to you. This is where the mechanical quietness of the speaker stacks come into play, and why multiple layers of Beech wood veneer cross-ply is moulded using hundreds of tons of pressure to ensure structural rigidity. A number of elements in the factory could be outsourced but the innate need to be better has meant many of the jobs are kept in-house, aiming to perfect the mantra started by John Bowers. Andy Kerr, Senior Product Manager at B&W, confirms that the manufacturing process is all about flow; some processes may require more time and attention, therefore each member of staff on the floor is able to invalidate any piece of the speaker if a flaw is found. The entire process isn't rushed and that meticulousness can be seen at every station. Billets of aluminium are formed into tweeter housings, which are decoupled from the rest of the speaker using thermoplastic elastomer so that the units don't affect the frequencies from the drivers.

Now this is a speaker
Now this is a speaker
However, a billet of aluminium perched atop a dashboard will more than likely fail safety tests, so B&W's signature tweeters had to be reworked in sturdy plastic housings to still be placed on the dash facing the occupants. In the Volvo XC90, the audio engineers had plenty of 'architecture' available to them to house the 19 speakers of varied size and power. The larger the space available, the simpler it is to create a stage for the driver and passengers. By raising the three speakers in each door above the knee, that means the 'horizon' is higher and closer to the ears and also allows for the bass to be moved forward in the cabin and adjusted depending on whether passengers are onboard or not.  The system includes three experiences: Studio, which Andy recommends, the Individual stage which allows you to alter the level of envelopment and Volvo's request of the Gothenburg Concert Hall, to truly get a feel of Sweden and allow the sound to mimic the space. Andy recommends plugging in versus connecting over Bluetooth as that doesn't compress the audio files played and there isn't any need to fiddle with the equaliser as that has already been perfected.

B&W Volvo option brings 19 speakers
B&W Volvo option brings 19 speakers
Being associated with multiple recording studios - including Abbey Road - not only takes the speaker to the source of the sound but it also provides the engineers, Andy included, with a vast repertoire of unheard track recordings. Playing Led Zeppelin's The Ocean, the sound of an earlier recording can be heard whilst the track is being counted down. Andy reveals that in the past, studios merely recorded over previous takes and these little nuggets can be found. From Elgar to N.W.A, the Bowers & Wilkins sound system can handle any genre of music with no changes to the equalizer. From the clarity of the orchestra to the thump of the drum beat, the quality remains remarkable.

Even though the clarity and the sense of occasion in this optional sound system are fantastic, dealers have mentioned that many customers don't request the upgraded system. However it does make the car more desirable when up for resale, and if the car is leased more options will push up future residuals. If this visit is anything to go buy, it's absolutely worth the money invested!

[Sources: Gov UK]





 

 















Photos: Dafydd Wood

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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,475 posts

218 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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For me, this is a great post as it combines my two interests. Even if it's advertorial I have a big interest in in-car audio as music is part of what I do for a living thus the end result is quite important to me.

More, please.

ZX10R NIN

27,598 posts

125 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Nice to see they actually change the speakers because some of the premium systems I taken out use the same standard speakers as the standard system Bose/Harman Kardon etc you know who you are.

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
Nice to see they actually change the speakers because some of the premium systems I taken out use the same standard speakers as the standard system Bose/Harman Kardon etc you know who you are.
Used to have an old Audi A4 with a Bose upgrade. It was 'ok' and nothing more. It was replaced with a bottom of the range Touareg with the bog standard stereo and that was much better.

jhoneyball

1,764 posts

276 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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"Aluminium and synthetic diamond used in the B&W tweeters have a maximum frequency of 30,000Hz and 70,000Hz respectively, meaning that no matter how loud you turn up the volume the sound is just as clear to you"

You dont really understand this do you....

And "the ghost of a previous recording" was probably print-through.

SlimJim16v

5,658 posts

143 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Interesting, but flawed and OT.

Vee12V

1,332 posts

160 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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MJK 24 said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Nice to see they actually change the speakers because some of the premium systems I taken out use the same standard speakers as the standard system Bose/Harman Kardon etc you know who you are.
Used to have an old Audi A4 with a Bose upgrade. It was 'ok' and nothing more. It was replaced with a bottom of the range Touareg with the bog standard stereo and that was much better.
I've never, ever heard a Bose system that sounded good.

David87

6,656 posts

212 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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The Meridian systems in the JLR cars are very good. I'm no audio expert, but they sound great to me. biggrin

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Vee12V said:
I've never, ever heard a Bose system that sounded good.
Yes, nothing says "I'll buy magic beans if you market them to me right" than paying for anything Bose. It really is very poor.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

170 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Naim for me.

LHD

17,000 posts

187 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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The only in car system that has ever really impressed me is the Mark Levinson kit that Lexus do.

Tango13

8,428 posts

176 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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dme123 said:
Vee12V said:
I've never, ever heard a Bose system that sounded good.
Yes, nothing says "I'll buy magic beans if you market them to me right" than paying for anything Bose. It really is very poor.
I've known people in the trade that refused to sell Bose as they felt they would be ripping their customers off by peddling such poor quality kit.



Jackspistonheadsaccount

85 posts

100 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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jhoneyball said:
"Aluminium and synthetic diamond used in the B&W tweeters have a maximum frequency of 30,000Hz and 70,000Hz respectively, meaning that no matter how loud you turn up the volume the sound is just as clear to you"

You dont really understand this do you....

And "the ghost of a previous recording" was probably print-through.
I'm not pretending to be an expert, but surely if something is good up to 70Khz then it means it can cope with certain amounts of acceleration. So when you turn the volume up the speaker has to move more displacement wise (though at the same frequency) but given it has to move further within the same time frame.
So if you've got something that's good for 25k trying to pull off 18k at high volume then it'll start to distort. Because its only good for 25k at reasonable volume?
Please correct me if I'm wrong

Snoggledog

7,019 posts

217 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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You can have the best speakers in the world but if the recording or the source player is st, it'll sound st.

Scottie - NW

1,288 posts

233 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Jackspistonheadsaccount said:
I'm not pretending to be an expert, but surely if something is good up to 70Khz then it means it can cope with certain amounts of acceleration. So when you turn the volume up the speaker has to move more displacement wise (though at the same frequency) but given it has to move further within the same time frame.
So if you've got something that's good for 25k trying to pull off 18k at high volume then it'll start to distort. Because its only good for 25k at reasonable volume?
Please correct me if I'm wrong
Clipping and distortion from the amp is more of an issue than the speakers themselves.

Also, you will he High and Low passing signals, and different speakers will be playing different frequencies.

I got fed up of paying for premium audio systems that were crap, so started to install my own.

For hundreds I have a brilliant system. Keeping it simple helps.

I use an Alpine Head Unit, £200 gets a good quality one, you want 3 pre outs ideally, front/rear/sub. There are also built in HP and LP filters on the HU itself, and the amp also has HP/LP controls and gain.

I found somewhere discreet to mount a 6 channel amp, class AB for the front and rear speakers, and then Class D for channels 5 and 6, bridged for a sub.

I used component speakers up front, mid and tweeter, these come with built in filters to split the signal, but you can also use HU or Amp to cut out very low frequencies. Installed coaxial rears, and set gain low, just for a bit of fill.

Then built a small enclosure in corner of boot to house a 10 inch sub, very discreet, and amp supplies 300wrms to it, about ideal.

Including amp fitting kit that came to late hundreds, has lasted years and sounds better then any premium manufacturers system I have heard smile

Jackspistonheadsaccount

85 posts

100 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Scottie - NW said:
Clipping and distortion from the amp is more of an issue than the speakers themselves.

Also, you will he High and Low passing signals, and different speakers will be playing different frequencies.

I got fed up of paying for premium audio systems that were crap, so started to install my own.

For hundreds I have a brilliant system. Keeping it simple helps.

I use an Alpine Head Unit, £200 gets a good quality one, you want 3 pre outs ideally, front/rear/sub. There are also built in HP and LP filters on the HU itself, and the amp also has HP/LP controls and gain.

I found somewhere discreet to mount a 6 channel amp, class AB for the front and rear speakers, and then Class D for channels 5 and 6, bridged for a sub.

I used component speakers up front, mid and tweeter, these come with built in filters to split the signal, but you can also use HU or Amp to cut out very low frequencies. Installed coaxial rears, and set gain low, just for a bit of fill.

Then built a small enclosure in corner of boot to house a 10 inch sub, very discreet, and amp supplies 300wrms to it, about ideal.

Including amp fitting kit that came to late hundreds, has lasted years and sounds better then any premium manufacturers system I have heard smile
Fair enough, but on the clipping/distortion comment. I think the bit about 70k Hz was talking about the super high end home stuff, so anyone buying those speakers will have the high end amp to go with it, DAC, high bit rate music etc to make it work at it's best anyway.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Laughable advertorial said:
if the car is leased more options will push up future residuals. If this visit is anything to go buy, it's absolutely worth the money invested!
No way! Really!?

So the more options I choose on my lease car, the more money I save?

jcl

227 posts

243 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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In a car the drivers and amps are maybe 10% of the sound quality.

By far the biggest influence is acoustic treatment. With all the glass, cars have a horribly reflective HF. The best car audio I've heard by far was in a Golf with every panel mastic treated and acoustic tiles all over the interior. Looked fairly st and probably weighed 100kg but even with a modest system it made the mega money stuff sound like distorted mess.

Evilex

512 posts

104 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Want to improve your appreciation of music?

Need expensive reproduction equipment you do not.
Learn to play an instrument.
Then hear new timbral shades and rhythmic pulses you will, even in mono @ 64kbps through a battered old gramophone...

(I've long since lost faith in ”Hi-fi”, it's all about the equipment, not the music at all..)

velocgee

511 posts

146 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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Tango13 said:
I've known people in the trade that refused to sell Bose as they felt they would be ripping their customers off by peddling such poor quality kit.
the Bose is my RX8 was perfectly adequate and certainly far, far better than the standard set-up i have in my M3 (now that is sh*t. shame on you BMW)

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Sunday 13th November 2016
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jhoneyball said:
"Aluminium and synthetic diamond used in the B&W tweeters have a maximum frequency of 30,000Hz and 70,000Hz respectively, meaning that no matter how loud you turn up the volume the sound is just as clear to you.
That's money well spent if your a bat