Indication on roundabouts - please clarify for me
Discussion
I'm not going to say what my thoughts are just yet but I'd like your opinions on the following.
Take an ordinary roundabout (not a mini-roundabout) with exits at 90deg, 180deg and 270deg. Single lane all the way around, nothing out of the ordinary.
At what point do I indicate for each exit? Please also include going all the way around (coming back on yourself).
I have my own opinion and I'll share it once others have replied.
Thanks
Take an ordinary roundabout (not a mini-roundabout) with exits at 90deg, 180deg and 270deg. Single lane all the way around, nothing out of the ordinary.
At what point do I indicate for each exit? Please also include going all the way around (coming back on yourself).
I have my own opinion and I'll share it once others have replied.
Thanks
Just one lane all the way around?
1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
mx5tom said:
Just one lane all the way around?
1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
Same as me. 1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
mx5tom said:
Just one lane all the way around?
1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
Exactly as I was taught, pretty standard.1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
I moved from Milton Keynes (just the odd roundabout there). To Somerset, the rules are slightly different here
1. When approaching a roundabout stop! this is irrespective of whether there are any other vehicles within a mile of you at the time
2. When turning right, start off in the left hand lane in your Rover, then meander over to the right lane
3. Do not indicate to come off the roundabout until you have actually come off the roundabout
4. When you can see your exit is blocked, rather than wait until the traffic has moved forward come onto the roundabout ensuring that you have blocked it for everyone else.
5. If you inadvertently miss your exit in your motor home/car caravan combo..please feel free to go round the roundabout, with your left indicator on constantly in order to cause the maximum confusion!
6. the rule on giving way to the right...is actually more of a suggestion
1. When approaching a roundabout stop! this is irrespective of whether there are any other vehicles within a mile of you at the time
2. When turning right, start off in the left hand lane in your Rover, then meander over to the right lane
3. Do not indicate to come off the roundabout until you have actually come off the roundabout
4. When you can see your exit is blocked, rather than wait until the traffic has moved forward come onto the roundabout ensuring that you have blocked it for everyone else.
5. If you inadvertently miss your exit in your motor home/car caravan combo..please feel free to go round the roundabout, with your left indicator on constantly in order to cause the maximum confusion!
6. the rule on giving way to the right...is actually more of a suggestion
Thanks guys, this is exactly what I thought.
Highway Code rule 186 states:
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
This started when I asked why they didn't indicate when turning right or, in this case, coming back on themselves on the roundabout.
Highway Code rule 186 states:
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
- signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
- keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
- signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
This started when I asked why they didn't indicate when turning right or, in this case, coming back on themselves on the roundabout.
Edited by MagicalTrevor on Sunday 19th June 09:07
of course the signal is only necessary if it would be helpful / informative to another road user.
if you are approaching the r'bout at half 2 in the morning and haven't seen a car in 30 minutes and there is no other road user in sight as you negotiate the r'bout, you could correctly reach the conclusion that 'no signal' was appropriate
if you are approaching the r'bout at half 2 in the morning and haven't seen a car in 30 minutes and there is no other road user in sight as you negotiate the r'bout, you could correctly reach the conclusion that 'no signal' was appropriate
mx5tom said:
Just one lane all the way around?
1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
Thank God!!!!1st exit (left): Indicate left while approaching the roundabout
2nd exit (straight ahead): No indication until past the first exit, then indicate left.
3rd exit (right): Indicate right on approaching the roundabout, and then indicate left after passing 2nd exit.
4th exit (u turn): Indicate right until passed the 3rd exit, then indicate left.
That's what I was taught, standard stuff?
I was beginning to think I was the only one, OR I had badly misunderstood the HC.
This must the the proper way because so many idiots do it:
- If going straight ahead, approach roundabout in any lane. Operate right indicator to inform others you are NOT turning left.
- launch into roundabout under the bows of an approaching HGV/bus (they aren't very fast and have good brakes you see).
- suddenly change the indicator from right hand flashing to left hand flashing to inform others you are NOT turning right after all.
- exit roundabout ignoring screeching tyres, hooting and other 'noises off'.
- go on your way in your own happy little bubble. Never look back.
- If going straight ahead, approach roundabout in any lane. Operate right indicator to inform others you are NOT turning left.
- launch into roundabout under the bows of an approaching HGV/bus (they aren't very fast and have good brakes you see).
- suddenly change the indicator from right hand flashing to left hand flashing to inform others you are NOT turning right after all.
- exit roundabout ignoring screeching tyres, hooting and other 'noises off'.
- go on your way in your own happy little bubble. Never look back.
MagicalTrevor said:
Thanks guys, this is exactly what I thought.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338 states:
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
This started when I asked why they didn't indicate when turning right or, in this case, coming back on themselves on the roundabout.
That would assume there are lanes on the roundabout surely? There aren't always.http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338 states:
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
- signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
- keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
- signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
This started when I asked why they didn't indicate when turning right or, in this case, coming back on themselves on the roundabout.
Dogwatch said:
This must the the proper way because so many idiots do it:
- If going straight ahead, approach roundabout in any lane. Operate right indicator to inform others you are NOT turning left.
- launch into roundabout under the bows of an approaching HGV/bus (they aren't very fast and have good brakes you see).
- suddenly change the indicator from right hand flashing to left hand flashing to inform others you are NOT turning right after all.
- exit roundabout ignoring screeching tyres, hooting and other 'noises off'.
- go on your way in your own happy little bubble. Never look back.
Are you sure, there are at least two more uses of the indicator in your list than I normally see. Plus you forgot that the roundabout must be straight lined, especially if someone is alongside you in the other lane.- If going straight ahead, approach roundabout in any lane. Operate right indicator to inform others you are NOT turning left.
- launch into roundabout under the bows of an approaching HGV/bus (they aren't very fast and have good brakes you see).
- suddenly change the indicator from right hand flashing to left hand flashing to inform others you are NOT turning right after all.
- exit roundabout ignoring screeching tyres, hooting and other 'noises off'.
- go on your way in your own happy little bubble. Never look back.
No, the correct approach to a roundabout (from what I can tell) is to always approach in the right hand lane. Do not give way to the right Never use indicators or mirrors and finally, dive at the last moment for the exit required, before deploying the abusive hand signal of choice at your victim as you trundle off on your merry f
king way.
Plymouth drivers are wkers!
king way. Plymouth drivers are w
kers!Edited by Pannywagon on Sunday 19th June 02:21
For some bizarre reason, this is one of the most mis-understood rules in the Highway Code. I walk to work each day past a roundabout and sometimes in an idle moment I count the cars indicating properly - it's usually lower than 10%, sometimes 0. People really are this stupid 
This issue causes lots of congestion, which is a shame. It shouldn't cause accidents, because one should never believe an indication to that degree; but it will cause road rage as people get in other people's way, or congestion because people are too scared to get in other people's way in case their indication proves to be false.
Personally, I think the Highway Code needs to be a bit clearer, but most importantly we need short public information films on subjects like this. I'd have one on roundabouts, one on motorway lane discipline, and one on indicating (mirror, signal, then manouvre, if safe to do so). The way the government is though, we'll never get anything like that - perhaps one or two on speeding and that's about it.
This issue causes lots of congestion, which is a shame. It shouldn't cause accidents, because one should never believe an indication to that degree; but it will cause road rage as people get in other people's way, or congestion because people are too scared to get in other people's way in case their indication proves to be false.
Personally, I think the Highway Code needs to be a bit clearer, but most importantly we need short public information films on subjects like this. I'd have one on roundabouts, one on motorway lane discipline, and one on indicating (mirror, signal, then manouvre, if safe to do so). The way the government is though, we'll never get anything like that - perhaps one or two on speeding and that's about it.
This discussion reminds me of two similar, but subtly different, quotations:
Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools. (Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559BCE).
Rules are for the obedience of the inexperienced and the guidance of wise men. (WW2 British RAF Ace, Sir Douglas Bader).
The contributors to this forum are advanced drivers, and, as any fule kno, we should be driving not according to rules but, according to principles. The principle with regard to signalling is, ...signal if in your opinion another road user would benefit, don't signal if it could potentially confuse another road user.
There, it's simple, it applies to all situations including roundabouts, and not a rule in sight!
Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools. (Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559BCE).
Rules are for the obedience of the inexperienced and the guidance of wise men. (WW2 British RAF Ace, Sir Douglas Bader).
The contributors to this forum are advanced drivers, and, as any fule kno, we should be driving not according to rules but, according to principles. The principle with regard to signalling is, ...signal if in your opinion another road user would benefit, don't signal if it could potentially confuse another road user.
There, it's simple, it applies to all situations including roundabouts, and not a rule in sight!
johnao said:
The principle with regard to signalling is, ...signal if in your opinion another road user would benefit, don't signal if it could potentially confuse another road user.
Simple and sadly useless.All signals can potentially confuse unless there is noone to see them. So never signal.
Bert
BertBert said:
johnao said:
The principle with regard to signalling is, ...signal if in your opinion another road user would benefit, don't signal if it could potentially confuse another road user.
Simple and sadly useless.All signals can potentially confuse unless there is noone to see them. So never signal.
Bert
On the other hand I may have completely missed the point of your post, for which I apologise in advance.
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