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simoid

8,708 posts

28 months

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Thanks for that advice on how to pass a driving test.

Anything to aid the pursuit of not being whacked while stationary on a slip road?

Fastdruid

1,246 posts

22 months

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Tuesday 31st January 2012 quote quote all
Do you advise not stopping for red lights in case people don't see you stopped at them too?

stevensdrs

464 posts

70 months

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Stopping at the end of a busy slip road is potential suicide. Joining a busy motorway or dual carriageway from a standing start at the end of a slip road is even more dangerous. Law and highway code aside, if your merge planning has failed then use the hard shoulder to maintain your merge speed. Common sense and self preservation trumps unsafe rules every time.

simoid

8,708 posts

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Fastdruid said:
Do you advise not stopping for red lights in case people don't see you stopped at them too?
No.

Ever driven at 40.00000001 mph in a 40 limit?

Ever sounded your horn whilst stationary on the road?

Ever stopped at the roadside and failed to turn your engine off?

Parked without your handbrake on?

Farted in a lift?

XG332

3,777 posts

58 months

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Ever been called stubborn?

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

Ever seen a grown man naked?

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Fastdruid

1,246 posts

22 months

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simoid said:
Fastdruid said:
Do you advise not stopping for red lights in case people don't see you stopped at them too?
No.

Ever driven at 40.00000001 mph in a 40 limit?

Ever sounded your horn whilst stationary on the road?

Ever stopped at the roadside and failed to turn your engine off?

Parked without your handbrake on?

Farted in a lift?
All irrelevant. What I do or not do is irrelevant to what the rules of the road are.

Your argument is that the laws should not apply to you personally just in case someone isn't paying attention. No different from advocating not stopping at red lights in case someone doesn't see you've stopped. Or maybe if the traffic stops on the motorway in a hurry and you're at the back should you should take to the hard shoulder 'just in case'? Potential suicide otherwise.
How about if you are the only car on an dual carriageway coming up to a roundabout and there is a stream of traffic crossing it? Same limit. Same rules. Same chance of someone not seeing you stopped at the give way (and of course the lack of a gap) and hitting you. Force you way on, drive through the hatchings, fk the right of way. Following the rules of the road is for suicidal losers after all.

Yes you should be prepared for someone behind not seeing you but that is no different from many other situations. You prepare, you plan an escape route, you keep your wits about you and if need be you use it and use it fast.

I'm hardly the best driver in the world but I've never had to stop at the end of a slip road (except when the motorway was stationary). Doesn't stop it from being the right thing to do and from being prepared to do it. If need be you crawl, do everything you can to not stop, or stop early with a run up still but if all else fails you stop at the give way line. Then it's no different from pulling out onto a dual carriageway from a layby (which after all has the same limit), you signal, hope someone will move over and when there is a big enough gap give it the berries.

simoid

8,708 posts

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Fastdruid said:
All irrelevant. What I do or not do is irrelevant to what the rules of the road are.
Indeed. What I do or not is also irrelevant to what the rules of the road are. My point was that sometimes the laws are ignored for the sake of convenience/safety/ignorance.

Fastdruid said:
Your argument is that the laws should not apply to you personally
Nope. Just saying that I'll consider breaking one to avoid being stranded on a slip road, and causing a queue, and danger to other motorists in the form of the confusion behind me in the queue, on the carriageway as people will expect vehicles on the slip road to merge, etc.

I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post as it is full of hyperbolic assumption and not remotely relevant.

XG332

3,777 posts

58 months

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Don't let the door hit you on the way out. wavey

simoid

8,708 posts

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XG332 said:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. wavey
You say that like I'm out on a limb?!

XG332

3,777 posts

58 months

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I thought you were going?

simoid

8,708 posts

28 months

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Why did you think that?

Excellent contribution to a debate, incidentally.


XG332

3,777 posts

58 months

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simoid said:
Excellent contribution to a debate, incidentally.
I do like to try and do my part.

mjb1

719 posts

29 months

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thewidowmaker said:
'you are a failure of a driver if you ever have the need to stop on a slip way''.
It's a rather sweeping statement, but on the whole it is true - it is very rare that you actually have to stop, typically only when the main flow of traffic is (or almost) stationary. If you ever have to stop when joining a motorway with flowing traffic, then yes you probably are a failure of a driver. He was probably talking more about those hesitant, nervous types that you see all to often, who just can't seem to grasp the idea of matching speed and merging into a suitable gap.

There was one time I came down a slip road to meet a queue of HGVs nose to tail, but at reasonable (for them) speed. As I got to the give way section at the end there was no space between any of the lorries to marge into. I slowed right down and crawled along the narrowing slip, waiting for a gap (either existing or someone lifting off to make one), but at least 3 lorries carried on past (not strictly doing anything wrong, but not exactly being courteous. Speeding up to try and find a gap ahead clearly wasn't a sensible option (right in the hgv driver's blind spot).

I got to the end of the slip and had to make the decision to either stop completely and wait, or use the hard shoulder. It was quite a steep uphill section (probably part of the reason that none of the lorries wanted to yield), and I was in a slightly underpowered car loaded with 4 passengers. I didn't fancy stopping and trying to pull out from stationary so I chose to use the hard shoulder, probably for about 1/4 mile before a gap had appeared in the ever slowing convoy of lorries (due to the gradient). It was probably technically the wrong thing to do, but I could see that the hard shoulder was clear and it felt the safer option at the time.

henrycrun

1,407 posts

110 months

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I thought that the Police advise to use the hard shoulder rather than stop. Can anyone confirm ?

simoid

8,708 posts

28 months

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henrycrun said:
Can anyone confirm ?
Can't see them advising using the hard shoulder except in an emergency or when directed...

waremark

1,620 posts

83 months

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Since you are advised that after stopping on the hard shoulder for a suitable emergency you should build up speed on the hard shoulder before merging with the running lane, it must make more sense to keep moving on the hard shoulder than to stop before it. You could argue that it is an emergency.

Zeeky

1,717 posts

82 months

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I thought you wait for a suitable gap to appear before starting to accelerate rather than just accelerating up to merge speed and waiting for a suitable gap.

Munter

23,827 posts

111 months

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Zeeky said:
I thought you wait for a suitable gap to appear before starting to accelerate rather than just accelerating up to merge speed and waiting for a suitable gap.
Problem is the sort of slip roads where you can't see the approaching traffic until about 10ft before you are next to the dashed "give way" line. If you creep up to that and only start accelerating then you're not going to be going fast enough. So you turn up at full speed and reduce if needs be as that's easier/faster to do in a short space.

Take something like this: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=newbury&hl=en&...

The slip is shorter than a gnats penis by the time it's straight. Before it's straight you can't use your mirrors to see a gap (because they are not pointing towards the carriageway). So you're accelerating hard, around a curve, which means you need a reasonable focus on staying on the road, and possibly trying to get the odd glance over your shoulder at the same time. Add in you get clumps of trucks previously stuck behind a slow one coming up the hill previous, and now all free-wheeling downhill while being overtaken by cars. You can find situations where by the time you can see there are no gaps, your options are stop and wait for a big gap behind the trucks that you can accelerate into, or drive into a truck.

Take this one: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=m5+j2&hl=en&am...

Now you are coming up from below the motorway. Your mirrors are about 6ft lower than the camera remember. Until you are past the "wall" you can't see the traffic on the carriageway out the window or in a mirror. If lane 1 is full and no gaps. You can stand on the brakes to try and stop early to give you a run up. But those behind you can't see why and may not have anticipated you doing that. They stand a good chance of hitting you. So you slow down gently, and hope a gap appears before you get to the end. If the people in lane 1 are not good enough to open up a gap for you. You are supposed to stop and wait for a gap. Which'll be a nice gentle manoeuvre that people behind can anticipate.

Thundering on down the hard shoulder with no sight of a gap is no different to just using it as a lane. If there's no gap where are people expecting to go except forwards down the hard shoulder? And if it's blocked by a broken down vehicle, now you're stuck behind that, with no gap and nowhere to accelerate into.

Fastdruid

1,246 posts

22 months

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I was thinking about this just the other day, as I joined the motorway there was a car (plus breakdown van) *just* after then end of the slip road...

Zeeky

1,717 posts

82 months

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Munter said:
Zeeky said:
I thought you wait for a suitable gap to appear before starting to accelerate rather than just accelerating up to merge speed and waiting for a suitable gap.
Problem is the sort of slip roads where you can't see the approaching traffic until about 10ft before you are next to the dashed "give way" line. If you creep up to that and only start accelerating then you're not going to be going fast enough. So you turn up at full speed and reduce if needs be as that's easier/faster to do in a short space.
I'm not suggesting creeping up to the point of vision but stop if there is no possibility of entering. Wait for an appropriate gap and accelerate on the hard shoulder if necessary.

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