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Jon999
Original Poster
163 posts
17 months
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S. Gonzales Esq. said: Overtaking defensively would probably involve assessing the target a bit more than was the case here.
Waiting until the NSL to see how the Audi reacts would have been good, as would the classic 'triangle' overtake. Using this technique, you get a good indication of how the target will react to being overtaken before committing to anything. Mmm disagree. By pulling out early I had plenty of time to react whatever the q7 did hence even though he intentionally blocked me there was no danger as I still had a clear line of sight to the road ahead. You can kind of tell in the video that the bend is slight with good visibility so in theory I could have kept going but was sensible to first come off the accelerator then moderarely apply the brakes (you can see the car pitch down then down a little more in the video this is when the Audi hoots off) as it was clear at that point the Audi was playing games. Attempting later would have just made the situation worse as I guarantee he would have reacted in the same way leaving me with very little time to decide what to do. Don't think this thread will ever end. Interesting to get everyone's opinions though.
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Track Rod
34 posts
16 months
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Is this thread still going? Hasn't anyone got any work to do?
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rev-erend
17,903 posts
153 months
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The video had shades of Hamilton vs Maldonardo in it ..
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Cyrus1971
756 posts
108 months
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Audi was out of order for sure, increasing risk and danger to himself, you and the oncoming stream of traffic, in the wet. Clearly a retard in need of a physics lesson and a larger dick.
To be honest I probably have and would overtake in the same way as you did but perhaps not in a diesel Mondeo. To be sure this is not a go at your motor BTW, fine cars that they are.
I do also think that with a bit less haste on your part coming off the roundabout, say just 25 feet more before beginning your overtake would have shown a "respect" (what ever that is) for the Audi driver, and your haste would not have been open an interpretation of " you are my inconvenience " in quite the same way.
Overall though if one drives one has to be tolerant of mistakes and weirdness’s on the road, regardless of rules and the highway code. Placing others in genuine danger though is not forgivable. As a test - if you were an undercover police car and he did that he would be 100% done for it I think.
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Cyrus1971
756 posts
108 months
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BTW OP what dash cam are you using please ? Quality is pretty good. Might get one for myself.
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Jon999
Original Poster
163 posts
17 months
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Cyrus1971 said: BTW OP what dash cam are you using please ? Quality is pretty good. Might get one for myself. DOD gs300. Think I'm going to sell it as I've had a company car for a couple of months now and it's just sat on the shelf doing nothing in its box as I'm not allowed to hard wire it into my new car and I'm not a fan of wires all over. Pm me if you want (if it's allowed on here). Blackvue hd is another good camera as is DOD gs600 (adds gps speed overlay to mine ).
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MC Bodge
3,832 posts
44 months
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This thread began in March and is still going.
So, was the blocked overtake out of order then?
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S. Gonzales Esq.
1,665 posts
81 months
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MC Bodge said: So, was the blocked overtake out of order then? I'd be happy to try to summarise: • Starting an overtake before reaching the NSL was not ideal behaviour by the OP. • Accelerating whilst being overtaken, and moving out towards the centre line was extremely poor behaviour from the Audi driver. • Engaging with the Audi driver afterwards was possibly the biggest error of all. Looking at the OP's other YouTube videos, he does seem to have a habit of making basic errors whilst complaining about the actions of others.
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MC Bodge
3,832 posts
44 months
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S. Gonzales Esq. said: MC Bodge said: So, was the blocked overtake out of order then? I'd be happy to try to summarise: • Starting an overtake before reaching the NSL was not ideal behaviour by the OP. • Accelerating whilst being overtaken, and moving out towards the centre line was extremely poor behaviour from the Audi driver. • Engaging with the Audi driver afterwards was possibly the biggest error of all. Looking at the OP's other YouTube videos, he does seem to have a habit of making basic errors whilst complaining about the actions of others. Thanks. I thought that this had been established months ago though.
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JM
1,789 posts
75 months
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S. Gonzales Esq. said: Looking at the OP's other YouTube videos, he does seem to have a habit of making basic errors whilst complaining about the actions of others. Also a pretty poor taste in music. 
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Linus27
152 posts
81 months
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My view is the driver overtaking did not show enough respect to the Audi driver by not making his intentions clear and by carrying out the overtake move too quickly and with too much aggression. He had made his mind up he was going to overtake pre roundabout as he accelerates hard upon exiting the roundabout, across it and then pulls out without warning before the NSL zone. The Audi driver was not given any opportunity to increase his speed as by the time he got to the NSL he had the Mondeo pull out alongside.
The Audi driver however reacted very badly to the situation and reacted with aggression rather than acting passively and backing down.
Both drivers were at fault. The overtaking driver being too eager and inpatient, not making his intentions clear and not showing enough respect to other road users. There really was not need for the pass. The Audi driver reacted aggresivly and put both road users at risk. Two wrong's in my book.
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JamesR32
534 posts
65 months
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Jon999 said: I also have the part where we pulled over and had a little discussion about his antics and he insisted that he was "trying to save my life" by preventing me overtaking. Crazy. View for yourselves anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR5aummuFjwI have to say that overtake looked totally kosher. As for his excuse, he put you in more danger by keeping you on the opposite side of the road for longer than necessary so his argument is invalid. Typical cock Audi driver (not stereotyping of course)
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Observer2
702 posts
94 months
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Linus27 said: My view is the driver overtaking did not show enough respect to the Audi driver by not making his intentions clear and by carrying out the overtake move too quickly and with too much aggression. He had made his mind up he was going to overtake pre roundabout as he accelerates hard upon exiting the roundabout, across it and then pulls out without warning before the NSL zone. The Audi driver was not given any opportunity to increase his speed as by the time he got to the NSL he had the Mondeo pull out alongside.
The Audi driver however reacted very badly to the situation and reacted with aggression rather than acting passively and backing down.
Both drivers were at fault. The overtaking driver being too eager and inpatient, not making his intentions clear and not showing enough respect to other road users. There really was not need for the pass. The Audi driver reacted aggresivly and put both road users at risk. Two wrong's in my book. +1
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buymeabar
73 posts
58 months
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Utter f  k monkey in the Q7. I quite liked the music though, which track is it, please?
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KimZ
213 posts
83 months
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Efbe said: what a complete nob that audi driver is. +1. Good visibility - no reason not to go for that o/t imo. Vorsprung durch tosspot!
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k99
243 posts
37 months
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Agreed the Q7 was wrong but we don't know what might have happened beforehand that could change the mentality of the Q7 driver and put more responsibility on the incident on the Mondeo.
Just say for instance that long before the village the Q7 was travelling at quite a pace and overtook a Sunday driver in a Mondeo. The Mondeo driver takes umbrage with the overtake, speeds up and eventually catches up the Q7 in the village.
As they exit the village the Q7 is waiting for the NSL before accelerating away. Meanwhile the Mondeo is trying to overtake him. What would you do?
Of course you should let the Mondeo overtake but if what I had described had happened beforehand - would you hand on heart do that?
All the above is hypothetical but may explain why the Q7 driver acted the way he did or why sometimes a driver may try and block your overtake. I not trying to defend his dangerous driving but sometimes people will do this if they have had their hackles raised by another driver.
Whenever I overtake cars, I always keep an eye on the car afterwards in case they have taken umbrage and want revenge.
Often happens you will get flashed for carrying out a completely safe overtake within the speed limits but others drivers don't see it that way and will try and overtake you because you have had the ordacity to pass them.
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matthias73
1,673 posts
19 months
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So you want to get in front of a someone, and he decides he would rather be in front. Rather than let you pass, and then overtake you where there might not be an opportunity, he just boots it to let you know that actually, he is staying in front. That might seem selfish and foolish of him, but its no worse than your desire to be in front of him.
Given the fact you started before the NSL, he was probably waiting for the sign until he gave it propper gas, I can't actually blame him.
Had it been later in the NSl, he wasn't doing speed, you went to overtake and he blocked, then yes, it wouldn't be excusable in the slightest.
In my opinion, two large egos on a small road.
(Thats not to say you are a bad person, or that the audi driver is bad. I'm sure you are quite agreeable, albiet in a hurry)
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simoid
8,452 posts
27 months
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matthias73 said: So you want to get in front of a someone, and he decides he would rather be in front. Rather than let you pass, and then overtake you where there might not be an opportunity, he just boots it to let you know that actually, he is staying in front. That might seem selfish and foolish of him, but its no worse than your desire to be in front of him.
Given the fact you started before the NSL, he was probably waiting for the sign until he gave it propper gas, I can't actually blame him.
Had it been later in the NSl, he wasn't doing speed, you went to overtake and he blocked, then yes, it wouldn't be excusable in the slightest.
In my opinion, two large egos on a small road.
(Thats not to say you are a bad person, or that the audi driver is bad. I'm sure you are quite agreeable, albiet in a hurry) Are you trolling? That's all very well, but you should either maintain a constant speed when being overtaken, or slow down a bit to allow the overtaker safe passage. Certainly you shouldn't accelerate and potentially leave them stranded in the face of oncoming traffic.
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zygalski
1,042 posts
14 months
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Linus27 said: ...and by carrying out the overtake move too quickly... Not nearly quickly enough, imo.
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Jon999
Original Poster
163 posts
17 months
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zygalski said: Not nearly quickly enough, imo. It was flat out. I apologise if a mapped 2.2 litre diesel Mondeo isn't fast enough for you. IMO it is more than capable of overtaking swiftly as demonstrated here (despite the overtaken c2 having a hissy fit prompting me to save the clip and review it) http://youtu.be/F5_lgMPyoHM just no match for a 4.2 litre Audi.
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