Blocked overtake on dash cam.

Blocked overtake on dash cam.

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Stedman

7,203 posts

191 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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zygalski said:
Not nearly quickly enough, imo.
Ideally you don't want a too high closing speed though. So no.

blueg33

35,403 posts

223 months

Friday 21st September 2012
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gaz1234 said:
wk music
I thought this was meant that as a complimnet, the music made gaz wk he liked it that much

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 22nd September 2012
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Jon999 said:
Unsure why people bother going on about another persons taste in music. Seems like a waste of time to me. Thanks for your input though.
this is ph music matters


TuxMan

9,009 posts

237 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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Those Q7 4.2 quattros really shift biggrinbiggrin

superhans88

179 posts

174 months

Sunday 4th November 2012
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Drug Dealer

Bohally

943 posts

146 months

Sunday 4th November 2012
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Can you post up the video when you got out the car?

ging84

8,789 posts

145 months

Tuesday 6th November 2012
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I've watched the video a couple of times and i don't agree this is a blocked over take, it's a failed over take.
The highway code does say you should maintain your speed or slow down when being over taken, the audi driver did not he sped up and didn't let the OP finish his overtake.
But lets go through the the OPs driving
At the start of the video he is following at around a 2 second gap (in the rain)
Then off the roundabout it looks like he is already over hanging the hatchings.
As he is accelerating towards the back of the audi there is less than a 1 second gap before he pulls out to over take
Then finally the OP can clearly be seen flashing his lights at the other driver when he is accelerating away from him.
There are a good 3 infractions of the highway code before we even look into if the over take attempt it's self was a legitimate and legal place to do so, you could argue the change of speed limit ahead was enough doubt to make it an unsafe place to start an over take, and was the OP within the original speed limit approaching the NSL sign?

The sensible thing for the audi driver to do in that situation is to respond by driving more defensively but that is not how everyone responds in the heat of the moment and i don't think anyone should be labelled a cock or accused of dangerous driving for responding aggressively to aggressive driving any more the person who started it off should be, perhaps even less so.

If the audi driver had wanted to block the over take he could have accelerated just enough to match the OPs position forcing him to brake and tuck in behind, that i might understand people calling him a cock or accusing him of driving dangerously, but he accelerated very hard and got well out of the way.

It would have been safer for the audi to drive defensively and back off the moment he was being over taken instead of booting it, but it was the OP who choose to put himself (and other road users) in danger in the first place, had it have resulted in an accident it would be quite possible to argue the OP who was entirely to blame even with this video footage.


Mad Chemist

30 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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Are you kidding mate?

The original overtake attempt and how the Q7 driver responded to the manoeuvre are 2 completely separate issues. Yes, the overtake was a bit early and the OP was most probably speeding before he got to the NSL, but the way the Q7 driver behaved was absolutely diabolical, endangering both parties and possibly any other vehicle coming the other way.

I certainly know who the police would be prosecuting, had any serious accident occurred as a result of Audi drivers aggressiveness, once the video evidence was reviewed.

Mad.

Mikebentley

6,016 posts

139 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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Was the overtake really needed in the rain? Who drives round with a camera on? It's aa bit like the old boy who has driven fro 60 years with no accidents, he just a leaves them in his wake. The OP tried it and was done by a 3 ton SUV, end of, get over it.

Mad Chemist

30 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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Mike,

It's not important whether the overtake was appropriate or not (that's subjective) or if the OP has a camera or has driven for 60 years and had no accidents. The point is that it was bloody dangerous what the Audi driver did, period! Maybe I'm misreading your comments but it seems like your saying st happens, deal with it and bugger the consequences? I find it hard to get over this kind of crap driving whether it's directed at me or anyone else, especially when it is so dangerous and could lead to a fatality. Hey, maybe I just take life way too seriously.

Mad.


Mikebentley

6,016 posts

139 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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I respect your opinion, but I see the OP as being the author of his own problem in that he attempted a questionable overtake in poor conditions and was then out driven by someone he had upset who quite rightly didn't expect a move like that. That's how I viewed it and earlier posters congratulated him on not getting Red mist! I'm on the side of the Q7 driver who was trying to drive along in poor weather until the camera car came along trying to film his own skill full driving style.

PaulFr

63 posts

138 months

Wednesday 7th November 2012
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OP took the mick a bit with the overtake (my opinion of course) but Audi driver should show restraint and not potentially contribute to an accident (NOT cause I might add!).

Like on Saturday, knob in white 3 series pulls up behind me in a 30 zone, overtakes about 50m before NSL and for a brief moment I thought fuk him and considered giving him too much to make up but then thought better of it. Stayed close but not too close on his tail for the next few miles of twisty road practising my lines and making sure I use all of the road to fill his mirrors with E60 M5 but no overtake. Found it quite relaxing actually tbh ... I needed to warm up anyway smile

Edited by PaulFr on Wednesday 7th November 22:41

boobles

15,241 posts

214 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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It sounded like the OP had a passenger with him?

Perhaps he or she gave the Audi driver & glance like we all have done whilst overtaking someone & perhaps the Audi driver who was clearly in a faster car didn't oblige to this & decided to give it the beans.... Not suggesting it's right to do this but ust another explanation perhaps.

Jon999

Original Poster:

400 posts

147 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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No passenger. No glances the q7 window line is mich higher than the Mondeo too so not really possible. Maybe me talking to myself smile

As stated previously the camera runs 24/7.

Also as stated previously I admit the overtake was a little early and I am in no way saying my driving is perfect.

Interesting how much opinion varies.

Edited by Jon999 on Thursday 8th November 12:08


Edited by Jon999 on Thursday 8th November 12:08

Mikebentley

6,016 posts

139 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Jon999 if my comments seemed off then I apologise as new to forums. I've calmed a lot nowadays with kids etc. but I've driven far worse myself. Why do you run the camera? Is it just to catch the crazy things we all see?
Mike

philip600

216 posts

173 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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I'm no expert & have no idea what the law would have said if this manoeuvre all went wrong but in my opinion the OP was a little quick in commencing an attempt to overtake the Q7.
As the Q7 exits the round-about you have no idea how quickly the Audi driver ( or any other car for that matter ) is going to accelerate so why did you feel the need to get past ?
If you had been following for a reasonable distance & the car in front had been driving slower than you considered the conditions would safely allow then I could understand why you would be annoyed had the driver in front sped whilst you were over-taking them.
I'm not judging btw as you can't really say unless you were actually there & I have found myself in both situations before.
Personally I would not have attempted the manoeurve in my diesel van due to the possible risk that I do not know how quickly the driver in front would accelerate so therfore could not be sure whether I needed to get past or whether I would have enough time to complete the over-take safely.
In a quicker car I would have attempted what the OP did due to the fact I would have had a better than average chance to complete the overtake safely.
Top marks for not losing your rag though, easy to do in situations like that & the fact the Q7 swerves over the white line would suggest he is either no looking where he is going or would have been happy to swerve in an attempt to block you had you been in a quicker car !

Jon999

Original Poster:

400 posts

147 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Mikebentley said:
Jon999 if my comments seemed off then I apologise as new to forums. I've calmed a lot nowadays with kids etc. but I've driven far worse myself. Why do you run the camera? Is it just to catch the crazy things we all see?
Mike
Don't worry no offence taken smile

I run the camera to have a proper record in the event of an accident and to hopefully catch any parking damage etc. Provides CCTV coverage of the house whilst the car is parked up too. Also is a good educational tool like in this instance - I should have backed off earlier and should not have flashed it achieved nothing (but it is quite hard to control yourself in these situations!). I'd post up more videos but they'd turn into massive never ending threads like this one.

The Q7 wasn't just making progress he was flat out like myself - but only once he realised he was being overtaken. When he pulled over further up the road he said that he was trying to save my life by preventing the overtake, not that he was making normal progress.

As stated previously the Mondeo wasn't exactly slow (in my eyes anyway) and had more than adequate power to overtake in the distance given no silly antics. Vision is good right round the bend hence no danger posed despite the Q7's reaction.

Edited by Jon999 on Thursday 8th November 20:28


Edited by Jon999 on Thursday 8th November 20:30

Guvs

38 posts

141 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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my two pence worth, is why didn't the op think that the Q7 driver was going to speed up when HE got to the NSL sign, where as a matter of fact is the correct and legal place to speed up not before the sign as the op did.


Edited by Guvs on Saturday 10th November 08:42

ging84

8,789 posts

145 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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Mad Chemist said:
Are you kidding mate?

The original overtake attempt and how the Q7 driver responded to the manoeuvre are 2 completely separate issues. Yes, the overtake was a bit early and the OP was most probably speeding before he got to the NSL, but the way the Q7 driver behaved was absolutely diabolical, endangering both parties and possibly any other vehicle coming the other way.

I certainly know who the police would be prosecuting, had any serious accident occurred as a result of Audi drivers aggressiveness, once the video evidence was reviewed.

Mad.
I don't see how you can "certainly know" who the police would be prosecuting had it resulted in an accident, unless you actually represent the CPS

In my experience, the police and the courts will lay a lot of responsibility on the first person to do something wrong in any sort of incident as it is generally always the case that without their actions there would have been no incident.
The audi driver's reason apparently he said he was trying to save the OP's life, basicly saying that he saw the OP tyring to over take, they were approaching the corner, he didn't think the OP was going to make it in time so he had a choice between braking or accelerating and choose to accelerate, personally i don't fully buy it as a good reason, but it something reasonable to argue in defence, He can say the OP's actions put him in a dangerous situation, forced him into making a snap judgement.
And on top of that the audi drive could also claim he didn't see the OP at all, he was just putting his foot down for the NSL, the OP was in his blind spot so he never saw him at all, this footage is not enough to prove he was reacting to the OP.

What is the OPs defence? the audi driver should have noticed what i was doing and reacted to what i was doing by letting me in and didn't so it's 100% his fault. I don't see there is any convincing way to defend what he did to a court.

Btw i am not trying to say i feel the OPs driving was a problem, aggressive yes technically illegal but certainly not unacceptable by my standards, i've seen worse, i've done worse, and i'll do worse again. My objections are purely to the reaction of accusing the other driver of dangerous driving and of the people in reply making a quick judgement on the audi driver and labelling him a cock.
The way i see it is that if you are pulling an aggressive manoeuvre you have to take responsibility for how it turns out even if it's someone else's mistake, reaction, poor judgement or what ever that directly causes an accident you've still got to live with the consequences and knowing that if you alone had driven more sensibly that day it would definitely not have happened

Mad Chemist

30 posts

156 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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Ging84,

Thanks for your opinion. One could argue that the Q7 driver putting his foot down to "save his life" is just ridiculous and is almost an admission of guilt IMHO as he was prolonging the OP exposure to the danger of oncoming traffic unnecessarily. Basically, the OP was hasty in his overtaking efforts and the Q7 driver reacted in the most dangerous way possible. It doesn't take an advanced driver to realise that the best course of action was not to attempt such a risky overtake or to react to the overtaker in such a dangerous and aggressive manor. However, as you have said, we have all done both of these during our driving careers. Lets just hope some of us on this forum learn something from these events.

Mad.