Blocked overtake on dash cam.
Discussion
Both the overtakes the OP has linked to are verging on marginal, but for different reasons. The Q7 one is too aggressive IMO, and the other Renault/Citroen had no saftey margin from what I could see.
The thing is though, what was the point of either if them? Both were in a traffic flow that wasn't especially fast - it was/would have meant just cruising up to the next person in the queue.
I like to make progress whatever car I'm driving, but if an overtake means I'll just be one car ahead in a stream of traffic, I won't bother.
The thing is though, what was the point of either if them? Both were in a traffic flow that wasn't especially fast - it was/would have meant just cruising up to the next person in the queue.
I like to make progress whatever car I'm driving, but if an overtake means I'll just be one car ahead in a stream of traffic, I won't bother.
Rollcage said:
Both the overtakes the OP has linked to are verging on marginal, but for different reasons. The Q7 one is too aggressive IMO, and the other Renault/Citroen had no saftey margin from what I could see.
The thing is though, what was the point of either if them? Both were in a traffic flow that wasn't especially fast - it was/would have meant just cruising up to the next person in the queue.
I like to make progress whatever car I'm driving, but if an overtake means I'll just be one car ahead in a stream of traffic, I won't bother.
You take one now so that you are better placed should/when the next one becomes available. Just because the next isn't available right now isn't a reason to turn down one now. Traffic movement is dynamic & gaps/flow may change in the future. If you are intent on making all reasonable available progress then you take them as they become available.The thing is though, what was the point of either if them? Both were in a traffic flow that wasn't especially fast - it was/would have meant just cruising up to the next person in the queue.
I like to make progress whatever car I'm driving, but if an overtake means I'll just be one car ahead in a stream of traffic, I won't bother.
(That's an aside from whether the OP's were available & reasonable, because I haven't looked at them).
I'm sure the Q7 was an auto and they were making good progress and were going to speed up at the NSL, once they reached it. The OP possibly knew the road better than the Q7 driver and took an opportunity to obtain a better view ahead once the traffic ahead was reached. Given the road knowledge and timing, the overtake was on, in theory, but it's always a risk when the other car is entering a higher speed limit. The Q7 was always going to accelerate up to the NSL at least and if he hadn't slammed his foot down in a poor reaction to the OP reading the road ahead, the torque would have kept him ahead all the way. The kick-down by up to two gears is why the Audi didn't stay ahead and why it shot away eventually (coupled with OP sensible response).
Message to Audi driver; you should have let OP past as once someone's committed to an overtake and is actually ahead, even slightly, you must let them in. AKA, you've been caught with your pants down and your reaction was 'premature'. Use the OP's local knowledge to make progress in future overtakes if that's what you really want to do.
Lessons to be learnt:
Audi driver; use you mirrors first not your side window and avoid kick-down by using the paddles to be in the right gear if you intend accelerating properly (you did add the option?). I find one or two uses of 90% throttle in the right gears usually informs those following that I can be relied upon to make progress when the traffic ahead is under the speed limit and a safe overtake is on. It helps those following calm down a bit when behind nose-to-tail non-overtakers going 50 in a NSL.
OP; Overtaking a car that is also going to accelerate will continue to test your powers of restraint and one day, emergency braking.
Message to Audi driver; you should have let OP past as once someone's committed to an overtake and is actually ahead, even slightly, you must let them in. AKA, you've been caught with your pants down and your reaction was 'premature'. Use the OP's local knowledge to make progress in future overtakes if that's what you really want to do.
Lessons to be learnt:
Audi driver; use you mirrors first not your side window and avoid kick-down by using the paddles to be in the right gear if you intend accelerating properly (you did add the option?). I find one or two uses of 90% throttle in the right gears usually informs those following that I can be relied upon to make progress when the traffic ahead is under the speed limit and a safe overtake is on. It helps those following calm down a bit when behind nose-to-tail non-overtakers going 50 in a NSL.
OP; Overtaking a car that is also going to accelerate will continue to test your powers of restraint and one day, emergency braking.
cheddar said:
blueg33 said:
Unless that Q7 was the big petrol engine, my diesel saloon would out drag it
Don't think it would.Even in 3.0tdi guise Q7's aren't slow, if it's the 4.2 oiler then you're done for.
And if the chip tuning brigade have been let loose on it then it's all over.
Oh, and did I mention the 738lbft V12 diesel Q7.......
I have just been accused of dangerous driving by pulling in on a person like this when I was 7/8 the way past him . Both he and I were continuing to accelerate and soon there was a car coming in the opposite direction. I believed I had to pull in and did so rather agressivly and am now being done. Does anyone have any legal advice as to my position? There was no contact between the two of us but I seriously thought the guy was trying to kill me. No witnesses his word against mine.
Oh dear, as Thumper the rabbit said, if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.
You need to provide more info on the circumstances as from what you've said so far it difficult to see how a disagreement whilst overtaking with no witnesses ends up with the plod involved and you being done.
If you are being charged with dangerous driving - You need to get advice from a solicitor that specialises in this type of case.
Also get the thread moved over to SP&L as you've posted in the wrong forum. You'll get lots more response on there.
You need to provide more info on the circumstances as from what you've said so far it difficult to see how a disagreement whilst overtaking with no witnesses ends up with the plod involved and you being done.
If you are being charged with dangerous driving - You need to get advice from a solicitor that specialises in this type of case.
Also get the thread moved over to SP&L as you've posted in the wrong forum. You'll get lots more response on there.
Yes OP was assertive and yes the Q7 looked to be making half decent progress through the preceeding footage, but there is no excuse for the Audi drivers actions.
Plainly you were committed to the overtake and he should have let you past.
Although I would be careful when you stop to discuss another drivers behaviour with them remember Kenneth Noye?
Plainly you were committed to the overtake and he should have let you past.
Although I would be careful when you stop to discuss another drivers behaviour with them remember Kenneth Noye?
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