Blocked overtake on dash cam.
Discussion
blueg33 said:
The more I look at that vid, the more I see the Audi driver do nothing to acellerate after the roundabout and he must then have floored it to get ahead of the OP.
Looking at the way the Audi did the roundabout I would have expected him to be quicker after, but he didn't keep the momentum, and the OP did.
It's possible the driver of the Audi was intent on accelerating up to 40mph and no more, prior to the NSL sign.Looking at the way the Audi did the roundabout I would have expected him to be quicker after, but he didn't keep the momentum, and the OP did.
AnotherGareth said:
I think the OP made a mistake in this case by trying to go too soon.
Yes; the Audi driver's reaction was less than desirable but the OP also precipitated events somewhat by being premature.I don't buy any of this waiting for the NSL sign nonsense. It was literally 10 metres in front of him, he would have already began accelerating if that was his intention.
I would have done exactly the same in the OP's position, whether there was a car in front of me or not.
Heavy throttle off the roundabout until at NSL speed.
Its like saying that you only begin slowing down from NSL into a 40 zone once you pass the 40 sign. In reality you ease off say 75 metres before the sign so that you are at an appropriate speed for entering the 40 limit.
You don't carry on at 60mph until at the 40 sign, then drop the anchors.
I would have done exactly the same in the OP's position, whether there was a car in front of me or not.
Heavy throttle off the roundabout until at NSL speed.
Its like saying that you only begin slowing down from NSL into a 40 zone once you pass the 40 sign. In reality you ease off say 75 metres before the sign so that you are at an appropriate speed for entering the 40 limit.
You don't carry on at 60mph until at the 40 sign, then drop the anchors.
Hmm, watched this twice now, wondering what I would do...
I reckon that I would've waited to see what the Audi did after passing the NSL sign. Also seeing there was further traffic ahead would have put me off bothering.
During my Ride Drive course a couple of years ago I was taught to try and assess what the reaction of the 'overtakee' might be. e.g. Doris in her Micra would probably behave differently to being overtaken than a couple of hoodies in body-kitted Corsa.
Experience has taught me that assessing the vehicle in front also means make and model - sadly I've found that people in 'premium' vehicles often have a misplaced belief in their self-importance (well done, you bought a car) and are more likely to be a twunt.
O/T: used to be really bad in my Ka sometimes: I'd pass someone on the motorway only for them to immediately tailgate as there was clearly now way they were going to get 'done' by a cheap little Ka.
Obviously, avoiding the sticky situation is better in the first place, but having found himself in that position the OP made the correct choice. Flashing could only be counter-productive, but I can't guarantee that I wouldn't have done the same in the heat of the moment.
I reckon that I would've waited to see what the Audi did after passing the NSL sign. Also seeing there was further traffic ahead would have put me off bothering.
During my Ride Drive course a couple of years ago I was taught to try and assess what the reaction of the 'overtakee' might be. e.g. Doris in her Micra would probably behave differently to being overtaken than a couple of hoodies in body-kitted Corsa.
Experience has taught me that assessing the vehicle in front also means make and model - sadly I've found that people in 'premium' vehicles often have a misplaced belief in their self-importance (well done, you bought a car) and are more likely to be a twunt.
O/T: used to be really bad in my Ka sometimes: I'd pass someone on the motorway only for them to immediately tailgate as there was clearly now way they were going to get 'done' by a cheap little Ka.
Obviously, avoiding the sticky situation is better in the first place, but having found himself in that position the OP made the correct choice. Flashing could only be counter-productive, but I can't guarantee that I wouldn't have done the same in the heat of the moment.
My 2p. I'm judging this purely on 3 viewings of the video and no other justification or comment from the thread. After all, we do not often have a chance to explain ourselves in an overtaking situation.
I have to agree that the Audi's actions were classic "my cars bigger than yours" cockspannery, especially the swerving across the centre line as the OP backs off. I've never understood why anyone would want someone behind them who wants to go faster than them. Indeed, however I felt, once the OP was alongside I'd have been lifting off slightly to enable them to pull back onto the lane more swiftly, and carry on their journey now having no impact on mine whatsoever. All the Audi has done is create a dangerous situation and put someone who is clearly willing to overtake behind himself. Bizarre and really quite mental.
However, I don't like the way the OP drove. It seems rather discourteous. While the overtake may have been "on" in terms of there was no observable oncoming traffic, the approach to the overtake was - in my opinion - pretty lousy and quite rude. The camera car exits the roundabout quite aggressively and with headlights on that has the potential to be quite unpleasant for the driver of the Audi. You come VERY close to the rear of the Audi (although that may be the work of camera foreshortening effect), if there had been a cyclist/pothole/hamster/MX5 or something that you couldn't see on the front nearside of the Audi and he had moved right to avoid, you'd have made contact.
While I don't condone the reaction of the Audi, I think the OP should have a little more consideration for the overtakee.
I have to agree that the Audi's actions were classic "my cars bigger than yours" cockspannery, especially the swerving across the centre line as the OP backs off. I've never understood why anyone would want someone behind them who wants to go faster than them. Indeed, however I felt, once the OP was alongside I'd have been lifting off slightly to enable them to pull back onto the lane more swiftly, and carry on their journey now having no impact on mine whatsoever. All the Audi has done is create a dangerous situation and put someone who is clearly willing to overtake behind himself. Bizarre and really quite mental.
However, I don't like the way the OP drove. It seems rather discourteous. While the overtake may have been "on" in terms of there was no observable oncoming traffic, the approach to the overtake was - in my opinion - pretty lousy and quite rude. The camera car exits the roundabout quite aggressively and with headlights on that has the potential to be quite unpleasant for the driver of the Audi. You come VERY close to the rear of the Audi (although that may be the work of camera foreshortening effect), if there had been a cyclist/pothole/hamster/MX5 or something that you couldn't see on the front nearside of the Audi and he had moved right to avoid, you'd have made contact.
While I don't condone the reaction of the Audi, I think the OP should have a little more consideration for the overtakee.
Graebob said:
However, I don't like the way the OP drove. It seems rather discourteous. While the overtake may have been "on" in terms of there was no observable oncoming traffic, the approach to the overtake was - in my opinion - pretty lousy and quite rude. The camera car exits the roundabout quite aggressively and with headlights on that has the potential to be quite unpleasant for the driver of the Audi. You come VERY close to the rear of the Audi (although that may be the work of camera foreshortening effect), if there had been a cyclist/pothole/hamster/MX5 or something that you couldn't see on the front nearside of the Audi and he had moved right to avoid, you'd have made contact.
While I don't condone the reaction of the Audi, I think the OP should have a little more consideration for the overtakee.
Of course he has his lights on, the weather is lousy. So does everybody else?? While I don't condone the reaction of the Audi, I think the OP should have a little more consideration for the overtakee.
How is that aggressive?
pthelazyjourno said:
Of course he has his lights on, the weather is lousy. So does everybody else??
How is that aggressive?
Having lights on isn't aggressive, that's not what I meant. Indeed, if I'm overtaking someone and I think they're a bit sleepy I'll flash my lights to let them know I'm there.How is that aggressive?
The Audi will have got a mirror full of bright lights milliseconds after leaving the roundabout, but before the OP overtook because the OP was so close. This could have been discomforting/distracting to the Audi driver. I just think the OP should have considered that
doogz said:
I disagree.
Yes, when you're coming out of an NSL into say, a 40, you start braking before the sign, so that you pass it at the appropriate speed.
But that doesn't work the other way around. It's a speed limit, not a target to be met by the time you pass the sign. When you're going from a 40, to a NSL, you should wait until you pass the NSL sign, to start accelerating, otherwise you're speeding. And if you get pulled, "It's a NSL soon, i was just getting up to speed" isn't going to serve you well.
IMO, the OP dealt with the situation fairly well, but from the limited footage we have, the Audi seems to have been making good progress. That doesn't excuse his t
ttish behaviour after the OP had started his manouvre, but i would have not attempted an overtake so quickly off the junction, and I would have given the Audi driver a chance to see what sort of speed he was planning on carrying on at, before attempting such an overtake.
I see where you're coming from, but I like to use a little common sense. Yes, when you're coming out of an NSL into say, a 40, you start braking before the sign, so that you pass it at the appropriate speed.
But that doesn't work the other way around. It's a speed limit, not a target to be met by the time you pass the sign. When you're going from a 40, to a NSL, you should wait until you pass the NSL sign, to start accelerating, otherwise you're speeding. And if you get pulled, "It's a NSL soon, i was just getting up to speed" isn't going to serve you well.
IMO, the OP dealt with the situation fairly well, but from the limited footage we have, the Audi seems to have been making good progress. That doesn't excuse his t
ttish behaviour after the OP had started his manouvre, but i would have not attempted an overtake so quickly off the junction, and I would have given the Audi driver a chance to see what sort of speed he was planning on carrying on at, before attempting such an overtake.If I see a black and grey striped sign 10 metres ahead of me you can be damn sure I'll start accelerating. Technically you're breaking the posted speed limit but you're leaving a 'danger' zone not entering one.
Ah who am I kidding. Us lot never exceed 70mph on a motorway do we?
Graebob said:
pthelazyjourno said:
Of course he has his lights on, the weather is lousy. So does everybody else??
How is that aggressive?
Having lights on isn't aggressive, that's not what I meant. Indeed, if I'm overtaking someone and I think they're a bit sleepy I'll flash my lights to let them know I'm there.How is that aggressive?
The Audi will have got a mirror full of bright lights milliseconds after leaving the roundabout, but before the OP overtook because the OP was so close. This could have been discomforting/distracting to the Audi driver. I just think the OP should have considered that
Lights are automatic so not guilty. Anyway it's raining so they should be on anyway
Thanks for the further comments. As I said before I'm not a 100% innocent party and I'm not making out like I am but the way the Audi reacted was stupid at best dangerous at worst.
Let's just give the Audi driver the benefit of doubt and say that he was only accelerating into the NSL as he had already planned and didn't see the OP until he was alongside.
Now what would you do in that situation, if a car was overtaking you? Personally if an overtaking car was struggling I'd back off and let them past, no big deal and why put myself/others in danger?
Clearly, whether it was innocent or not to start with the Audi driver made a slightly difficult situation more dangerous.
Just my 2p's worth.
Now what would you do in that situation, if a car was overtaking you? Personally if an overtaking car was struggling I'd back off and let them past, no big deal and why put myself/others in danger?
Clearly, whether it was innocent or not to start with the Audi driver made a slightly difficult situation more dangerous.
Just my 2p's worth.
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