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rallycross
4,657 posts
106 months
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Usually driving a dark green Rover (very slowly) with driving gloves, shuffle steering his way up the road whilst indignantly holding up a long queue of angry motorists behind. Whilst his wife sits there looking glum faced, listening to him drone on about MPG and the rules of the road.
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MC Bodge
3,758 posts
44 months
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BonzoG
1,312 posts
83 months
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Pugsey said: MC Bodge said: Much of the debate does seem to lose sight of the fact that observation, awareness (of surroundings and vehicle), smoothness, giving yourself space and planning/avoidance of difficult situations are the important aspects of driving/riding.
How exactly you achieve these things...
...are actually quite minor issues and arguably make very little difference to safety or 'fluid', harmonious driving or interaction with other road users. Absolutely spot on. If I passenger with someone who gets me from A to B smoothly, safely, swiftly and decisively, never commenting or seeming to be effected by (or indeed effecting) other road users and probably chatting about anything OTHER than driving then I frankly don't give a monkey's what'sit HOW he/she does all those mundane things you mention. Couldn't have put it better myself. The real 'advanced' drivers are the ones you don't notice. Smooth and unassuming, yet progressive. Whenever I've assessed anyone elses driving at work, the best drivers are always the ones who can pick and choose elements from all the different systems and apply them as appropriate - whether that be alternating between push/pull or other 'quicker' methods depending on the maneuver, choosing when to overlap braking/gears, whether or not to just roll off the throttle, drop a gear, or use the brakes, or whether or not to offside/straight line a corner - et cetera et cetera, the list is as long as the rope you eventually want to hang yourself with. As long as it worked for the situation and there was no negative effect, who cares which way their thumb was pointing on the gearstick? Focus on the bigger picture. There are proponents of different systems who would tell you you must always use one of those particular methods, or must never offside a corner, etc. These, in my experience, are always the most willing to shout about how advanced they are after reading a certain rulebook, yet also completely inflexible when faced with anything 'out of the ordinary'. I know this because I think I used to be one - thought I was the dogs b  ks after passing a certain 'advanced' test, put quietly in my place after passengering with someone more used to driving tanks for a living, but who didn't consider themselves in any way 'advanced' and had done nothing more than their DSA car & Army HGV/tracked stuff tests.
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mybrainhurts
71,604 posts
124 months
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MC Bodge said: You don't get this, do you...? 
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davepoth
19,878 posts
68 months
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mybrainhurts said: MC Bodge said: You don't get this, do you...? There's an advance/retard joke in this somewhere, but it's really, really bad taste, so I'm going to leave it. 
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MC Bodge
3,758 posts
44 months
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mybrainhurts said: MC Bodge said: You don't get this, do you...? Maybe I do
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Pugsey
5,665 posts
83 months
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Someone who is totally incapable of undertaking a drive any distance without talking about it (at length) - both during and after the event......................
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wildoliver
7,012 posts
85 months
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Dash camera and feels the need to post up about other drivers mistakes!
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camsporter
22 posts
43 months
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Hi all, just browsing but have to say, the best ones probably don't get noticed at all, just going about the drive in a safe but progressive manner. Only a thought.
Wouldn't mind giving it a go one day though.
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jimmyboy85
326 posts
17 months
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The ability to talk on a mobile phone/eat a sandwich with one hand, while steering your transit van with the hand your holding a mug of tea in seems quite advanced to me..........
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340600
170 posts
12 months
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jimmyboy85 said: The ability to talk on a mobile phone/eat a sandwich with one hand, while steering your transit van with the hand your holding a mug of tea in seems quite advanced to me.......... All whilst driving <2 inches off someone's bumper? Now THAT's skill.
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crisisjez
7,491 posts
74 months
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k15tox said: Advanced rider.
1x BMW GS (full panniers on even if popping down to the shop)
1x police style 'lumi jacket'
1x sense of god like riding ablity
Also i have noticed that they seem to have developed this twitch which makes their heads constantly shake at every other road user.
I am a biker myself and know the sorts of tits on the roads, but from my experience these guys just want it to happen. (sort of like the tits that constanly film themselves riding wanting stuff to happen so they can post it on youtube)
Watch out for one on the road if your lucky he may even follow you and 'access' your driving/riding.
Just a quick note to say that sadly Kyle was involved in a fatal accident on his bike and as he has been a contributor on here I thought you would all like the heads up. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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blueg33
Original Poster
10,724 posts
93 months
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crisisjez said: Sad news 
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ShampooEfficient
3,081 posts
80 months
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juliethotel said: The one's who, when walking through the supermarket, slow almost to a halt when approaching the end of an aisle, treating it like a t-junction or crossroads (or is it just me that does that?). Amateur. You ought to be drifting the trolley round the corners. MrsSE might not like going shopping with me for this reason...
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ScoobyChris
233 posts
71 months
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crisisjez said: Very sad news and not much that can be added to what has been posted on the other thread. Thoughts are with his family... Chris
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wst
1,063 posts
30 months
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ShampooEfficient said: juliethotel said: The one's who, when walking through the supermarket, slow almost to a halt when approaching the end of an aisle, treating it like a t-junction or crossroads (or is it just me that does that?). Amateur. You ought to be drifting the trolley round the corners. MrsSE might not like going shopping with me for this reason... Going out of aisles I do the old T-junction check. Going into aisles I try to drift it around and juuuust scrape the shelves with the 'outside' handle, using just one hand to control the drift. A good one, instead of doing the awkward 'be the pivot, rotate the trolley around me or turn it like a car' thing that people do when they want to turn around in an aisle... just push the handle sideways (you did load the trolley for a low polar moment of inertia right?) and the thing will rotate on its own axis. Much easier!
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Synchromesh
1,512 posts
35 months
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wst said: A good one, instead of doing the awkward 'be the pivot, rotate the trolley around me or turn it like a car' thing that people do when they want to turn around in an aisle... just push the handle sideways (you did load the trolley for a low polar moment of inertia right?) and the thing will rotate on its own axis. Much easier! I do this. It must be one of things where you think you're the only who does it, but evidently not... 
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MC Bodge
3,758 posts
44 months
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wst said: (you did load the trolley for a low polar moment of inertia right?) and the thing will rotate on its own axis. Much easier! A porsche 911 driver would presumably put all of the heavy things at the back.
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ShampooEfficient
3,081 posts
80 months
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MC Bodge said: wst said: (you did load the trolley for a low polar moment of inertia right?) and the thing will rotate on its own axis. Much easier! A porsche 911 driver would presumably put all of the heavy things at the back. 16 stone of me hanging off the back does the job. Until I inevitably overcome the level of friction offered by the wheels and end up crashing...
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