Roundabout lanes

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powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Saturday 5th May 2012
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Its hard to realy see every angle from the video but it looks ok if you like a press on style of driving and have no time for daudlers or sunday drivers!! it looked as if you cut the BMW up a little which is fine as thats how the majority of there owners drive!! hee hee!! chill peeps only joking!!!,however it could easly end in a fender bender as there is lots of possiblitys for other drivers to do something unexpected on a roundabout like swap lanes , I would have driven like that a few years ago,but now im happy to drive in a more relaxed way with less risk taking ....

Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 5th May 18:28

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

251 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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the silver BMW was a sensible distance from the car in front - you used to roundabout as a chance to overtake him and pull into the gap he had left...if there had been no overtake chance on the way out you would have been stuck there, forcing to him back off more. I expect the BMW driver thought you were a tool and I'd be staggered if you'd do it to a panda car.

Not bothered what the HC says....if any of us had someone jump us on a roundabout to pull into the gap we had left we'd have been pissed off - the overtake afterwards could not be forseen as a certainty.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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I would be interested to know if those saying it should not be done are mainly non advanced drivers and if those saying it was ok are advanced drivers

I said ok and am an advanced driver so fall into the latter

kaf

323 posts

146 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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R0G said:
I would be interested to know if those saying it should not be done are mainly non advanced drivers and if those saying it was ok are advanced drivers

I said ok and am an advanced driver so fall into the latter
That might depend on your definition of advanced driver.

Formal test? Track training? Advanced training? ex police response?

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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kaf said:
That might depend on your definition of advanced driver.

Formal test? Track training? Advanced training? ex police response?
Formal test passed with an examiner present - civilian or police

Bacon Is Proof

5,740 posts

230 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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By your definition, non-advanced.
I fail to see how being an advanced (by your definition) driver stops the possibility of the BMW coming out of lane?

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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Bacon Is Proof said:
By your definition, non-advanced.
I fail to see how being an advanced (by your definition) driver stops the possibility of the BMW coming out of lane?
It doesn't and everything is a possibility out on the roads - that is why driving is full of risks - its how a driver deals with any potential risk that is important

I was just curious as to who was saying what and from what perspective

Bacon Is Proof

5,740 posts

230 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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R0G said:
its how a driver deals with any potential risk that is important
I would have dealt with the risk of being driven into by the BMW by not overtaking it on the roundabout, thus removing the risk.

Basic stuff.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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Bacon Is Proof said:
I would have dealt with the risk of being driven into by the BMW by not overtaking it on the roundabout, thus removing the risk.

Basic stuff.
Basic for which level - learner? - average? - advanced?

I've overtaken many types of vehicles on roundabouts and been perfectly safe in doing so but I would not have considered doing so just after I passed the basic test because my experience and my knowledge of what is likely to happen was not at the standard is was later in my driving career

If I overtake another on a 'normal' piece of road how do I know that they will not veer right?

Bacon Is Proof

5,740 posts

230 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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R0G said:
Basic for which level - learner? - average? - advanced?

I've overtaken many types of vehicles on roundabouts and been perfectly safe in doing so but I would not have considered doing so just after I passed the basic test because my experience and my knowledge of what is likely to happen was not at the standard is was later in my driving career

If I overtake another on a 'normal' piece of road how do I know that they will not veer right?
I'm really not sure I need to answer that but if I must:

Drivers go straight over roundabouts because it is easy to do so; they don't have to steer as much.
This happens all the time, I see it everyday.

Drivers travelling on a 'normal' piece of road do not veer out of the lane because there is no reason to.
This doesn't happen all the time, I don't see it everyday.


R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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Bacon Is Proof said:
Drivers go straight over roundabouts because it is easy to do so; they don't have to steer as much.
This happens all the time, I see it everyday.
Me too - the trick is to KNOW which ones are likely or going to do it and which are not - that makes the difference

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Saturday 12th May 2012
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Bacon Is Proof said:
R0G said:
Basic for which level - learner? - average? - advanced?

I've overtaken many types of vehicles on roundabouts and been perfectly safe in doing so but I would not have considered doing so just after I passed the basic test because my experience and my knowledge of what is likely to happen was not at the standard is was later in my driving career

If I overtake another on a 'normal' piece of road how do I know that they will not veer right?
I'm really not sure I need to answer that but if I must:

Drivers go straight over roundabouts because it is easy to do so; they don't have to steer as much.
This happens all the time, I see it everyday.

Drivers travelling on a 'normal' piece of road do not veer out of the lane because there is no reason to.
This doesn't happen all the time, I don't see it everyday.
Yes and these same drivers seem to strugle with the concept of mirrors and indicators , my take is it worth the risk of loosing a NCD and the other hassle if you have a little fender bender... for gaining a few minuits ???

M4cruiser

3,550 posts

149 months

Sunday 13th May 2012
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powerstroke said:
my take is it worth the risk of loosing a NCD and the other hassle if you have a little fender bender... for gaining a few minuits ???
Yes, I echo that; each time you overtake, like you did, you save 3 seconds or so. Occasionally it will result in a crash and you lose a week.

I have found it best to assume everyone else on the road is not concentrating.

Only the Jensen Buttons etc in a race can take the risk and assume everyone else is a trained expert - which they are - but even then it goes wrong for them sometimes.


Tiggsy

10,261 posts

251 months

Sunday 13th May 2012
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R0G said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
I would have dealt with the risk of being driven into by the BMW by not overtaking it on the roundabout, thus removing the risk.

Basic stuff.
Basic for which level - learner? - average? - advanced?

I've overtaken many types of vehicles on roundabouts and been perfectly safe in doing so but I would not have considered doing so just after I passed the basic test
I cant see what test (GCSE phsycic maybe?) helps you avoid hitting the bemmer when he straight lines it - or when you fail to get an overtake on the exit what test stops you looking like a tool that just used the roundabout to hop into the bmw's safe gap from the car in front?

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Sunday 13th May 2012
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Tiggsy said:
I cant see what test (GCSE phsycic maybe?) helps you avoid hitting the bemmer when he straight lines it - or when you fail to get an overtake on the exit what test stops you looking like a tool that just used the roundabout to hop into the bmw's safe gap from the car in front?
Try the experience/observation/anticipation driving test

Distant

2,339 posts

192 months

Sunday 13th May 2012
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R0G said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
Drivers go straight over roundabouts because it is easy to do so; they don't have to steer as much.
This happens all the time, I see it everyday.
Me too - the trick is to KNOW which ones are likely or going to do it and which are not - that makes the difference
Go on then, let us in on your foolproof method.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Sunday 13th May 2012
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Distant said:
Go on then, let us in on your foolproof method.
EXPERIENCE OBSERVATION PLANNING


Distant

2,339 posts

192 months

Sunday 13th May 2012
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R0G said:
Distant said:
Go on then, let us in on your foolproof method.
EXPERIENCE OBSERVATION PLANNING
Alright dear, no need to shout. Is that how you treat your pupils when they question you?

I don't understand how you can say
R0G said:
the trick is to KNOW which ones are likely or going to do it and which are not
You can never KNOW. You can have a good idea, or a fairly safe bet, but there is no possible way you can KNOW every time what certain road users will do in a particular situation. I couldn't even guarantee that I would stay in lane if I hit diesel or had to take sharp evasive action, let alone anyone else.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Monday 14th May 2012
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CAPSLOCK got stuck - oops

If the criteria for driving is to KNOW that the car coming towards you will not suddenly steer right and hit you head on then I am suprised that you ever go driving

KNOWING the signs and reading those signs correctly is the key

As no two situations are exactly the same then putting rules for them will never work - hence the way I have described everything so far

EDIT & ADD

I think the only way to actually show this is practically on the road in a real life situation so any further discussion is probably going to prove fruitless

Edited by R0G on Monday 14th May 11:35

jimmy the hat

429 posts

146 months

Sunday 20th May 2012
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The only thing wrong with any of it is the, temporary, occupation of the BMW's braking distance. The BMW would be absolutely fine to straight-line the roundabout as they would do so behind the OP, the OP being ahead of them before they're even on the roundabout. Who the driver thinks is a "tool" and why is beyond the OP's control and not something they should worry about, especially being as the likelihood is they're wrong.

As for whether the "advanced" driver would believe this to be an OK manoeuvre or not is probably down to whether they're an advanced driver in the sense that they're actually a better driver than most or in the sense that they rigidly apply a set of rules to every situation regardless of how appropriate it may be. I've been reading this forum for a little while now and there seems to be a LOT of the latter whose "advanced" driving must be no better than most of the berks who do 45mph everywhere without paying any attention at all to what they're doing. As somebody else said on another thread, it would be very much a case of "sorry I ran over your child but did you appreciate my lack of brake-gear overlap?", you may be "correct" but you may not be "right".

There, that's bound to elicit an angry response from exactly the people I'm talking about.

Cheers, Jim