Roundabout lanes
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It certainly seems a very debatable topic, even if the hc does indeed say the left hand lane is for exiting left and straight on. I knew I'd read something about it before, I just had a look in my Haynes "Learn to Drive" book! and it says: "It is also acceptable to use the right-hand lane when going straight ahead if the left-hand lane of the roundabout is blocked, for instance by vehicles turning left."
In the video you can see that I've tried to make the BMW driver fully aware that I'm there, which is why I tried to get in line with them before they crossed the line to enter the roundabout, so that if they do take objection, I can carry on round to avoid confrontation. I also hung back from the Saxo in case it decided it wanted to take the 3rd exit!
Also I wasn't trying to suggest this as advanced driving by any means, I've only been driving 2 years my self. I just thought this was the most appropriate area of the forum to get a well rounded opinion on the matter, which has been achieved.
In future I will stick to the left hand lane to be on the safe side, as I don't want to cause unnecessary problems. I guess driving a slower car previously has encouraged me to try and sneak past stuff without the use of speed!
Thanks
In the video you can see that I've tried to make the BMW driver fully aware that I'm there, which is why I tried to get in line with them before they crossed the line to enter the roundabout, so that if they do take objection, I can carry on round to avoid confrontation. I also hung back from the Saxo in case it decided it wanted to take the 3rd exit!
Also I wasn't trying to suggest this as advanced driving by any means, I've only been driving 2 years my self. I just thought this was the most appropriate area of the forum to get a well rounded opinion on the matter, which has been achieved.
In future I will stick to the left hand lane to be on the safe side, as I don't want to cause unnecessary problems. I guess driving a slower car previously has encouraged me to try and sneak past stuff without the use of speed!
Thanks
simoid said:
You aren't following the HC guidance on roundabouts, so are your actions going to surprise the other drivers?
What if one of the other ones takes offence to your actions?
Suppose you've always got the rest of the roundabout as an escape route.
Thatis why I said in my posts that all considerations must be taken before doing this sort of thing - that includes what you saidWhat if one of the other ones takes offence to your actions?
Suppose you've always got the rest of the roundabout as an escape route.
Benjy911 said:
It certainly seems a very debatable topic, even if the hc does indeed say the left hand lane is for exiting left and straight on. I knew I'd read something about it before, I just had a look in my Haynes "Learn to Drive" book! and it says: "It is also acceptable to use the right-hand lane when going straight ahead if the left-hand lane of the roundabout is blocked, for instance by vehicles turning left."
In the video you can see that I've tried to make the BMW driver fully aware that I'm there, which is why I tried to get in line with them before they crossed the line to enter the roundabout, so that if they do take objection, I can carry on round to avoid confrontation. I also hung back from the Saxo in case it decided it wanted to take the 3rd exit!
Also I wasn't trying to suggest this as advanced driving by any means, I've only been driving 2 years my self. I just thought this was the most appropriate area of the forum to get a well rounded opinion on the matter, which has been achieved.
In future I will stick to the left hand lane to be on the safe side, as I don't want to cause unnecessary problems. I guess driving a slower car previously has encouraged me to try and sneak past stuff without the use of speed!
Thanks
Why do if different??? - I cannot fault your thinking or actionsIn the video you can see that I've tried to make the BMW driver fully aware that I'm there, which is why I tried to get in line with them before they crossed the line to enter the roundabout, so that if they do take objection, I can carry on round to avoid confrontation. I also hung back from the Saxo in case it decided it wanted to take the 3rd exit!
Also I wasn't trying to suggest this as advanced driving by any means, I've only been driving 2 years my self. I just thought this was the most appropriate area of the forum to get a well rounded opinion on the matter, which has been achieved.
In future I will stick to the left hand lane to be on the safe side, as I don't want to cause unnecessary problems. I guess driving a slower car previously has encouraged me to try and sneak past stuff without the use of speed!
Thanks
R0G said:
YES
Either it is safe and legal or it is not - there is no grey area
I'd have said the safety was grey from what I can see in that video. It usually is. Either it is safe and legal or it is not - there is no grey area
In particular my issue is what seems to me to be an over-reliance on the BMW having spotted him and incorporating him in his plan. But that said I only have the camera view.
My ongoing question is whether it was a little impatient and close compared with overtaking somewhere other than inside the hazard.
R0G said:
simoid said:
For various reasons, I can't imagine what goes through an officer's mind on a shift.
One may be that they have drawn attention to themselves by (blatantly) disregarding the advice of the HC on a roundabout.
What in the HC says that is not a good idea?One may be that they have drawn attention to themselves by (blatantly) disregarding the advice of the HC on a roundabout.
An artist's impression of the above is also available earlier in this thread.
That's the northern end of the A22 bypassing Uckfield/Maresfield. A road which ime seems to attract a disproportionately high percentage of clueless drivers.
Personally I wouldn't have done it due to the presence of the Saxo which meant the OP had to check his progress through the roundabout. Without that it would have been less of an issue. That said, given the low level of traffic an overtake afterwards would been quite straighforward. Easier and safer.
Personally I wouldn't have done it due to the presence of the Saxo which meant the OP had to check his progress through the roundabout. Without that it would have been less of an issue. That said, given the low level of traffic an overtake afterwards would been quite straighforward. Easier and safer.
I have viewed the footage several times.
IMO the manouvere was fine. Obviously I wasn't in the car & no audio on computer I am using but OP seemed to have fluid progressive control.
Not an offence to take the right hand lane.
Being mega critical as said by others - little room for error margin avoidance if BMW or Saxo changed course/position with little or no warning, ( perhaps Saxo moving out to overtake the motorcyclist). That said both BMW & Saxo seemed to be aware of OP & whilst both slower than OP they had sensible positioning even if Saxo failed to indicate exit.
As for moving to offside for Saxo overtake. Yes as said - Adopting a position further offside would have afforded a greater safety margin, however this may have affected the smoothness/fluidity of the overtake......Roadcraft encourages moving well out to look before comitting to overtake but the view was there early on due to layout.
I have seen worse driving by Police advanced crews - albeit OP does not have blues & two's.
Oh and yes - right or wrong I agree that the OP would probably have been stopped if the BMW was a Police Traffic car. Probably due to driving being significantly progressive.
IMO the manouvere was fine. Obviously I wasn't in the car & no audio on computer I am using but OP seemed to have fluid progressive control.
Not an offence to take the right hand lane.
Being mega critical as said by others - little room for error margin avoidance if BMW or Saxo changed course/position with little or no warning, ( perhaps Saxo moving out to overtake the motorcyclist). That said both BMW & Saxo seemed to be aware of OP & whilst both slower than OP they had sensible positioning even if Saxo failed to indicate exit.
As for moving to offside for Saxo overtake. Yes as said - Adopting a position further offside would have afforded a greater safety margin, however this may have affected the smoothness/fluidity of the overtake......Roadcraft encourages moving well out to look before comitting to overtake but the view was there early on due to layout.
I have seen worse driving by Police advanced crews - albeit OP does not have blues & two's.
Oh and yes - right or wrong I agree that the OP would probably have been stopped if the BMW was a Police Traffic car. Probably due to driving being significantly progressive.
R0G said:
Please remember that advanced driving is a progression from DSA driving and if something is safe and legal to do then, providing the driver has taken everything into account, there is absolutely no reason not to do it
Advanced driving is indeed a progression from DSA driving, but normally puts safety before speed. In the OP's video he is taking risks to gain progress, including the later overtake of a (green?) estate car - which (although I accept my view is subject to the camera's limitations) - appears to be done with not enough clearance and having followed at about 1 second instead of 2. As someone else said, a police car on a blue light call may do this kind of progress, but it's a different case.simoid said:
The advice in the HC is that you should use L1 to go straight on or left; L2 for going right or beyond, unless otherwise marked (I'm pretty sure there are no arrows on approach?)
An artist's impression of the above is also available earlier in this thread.
If what you say is corect why in the pictorial representation are there two lanes on the exit of the roundabout?An artist's impression of the above is also available earlier in this thread.
red said:
simoid said:
The advice in the HC is that you should use L1 to go straight on or left; L2 for going right or beyond, unless otherwise marked (I'm pretty sure there are no arrows on approach?)
An artist's impression of the above is also available earlier in this thread.
If what you say is corect why in the pictorial representation are there two lanes on the exit of the roundabout?An artist's impression of the above is also available earlier in this thread.
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