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Benjy911

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267 posts

33 months

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I was discussing this with a friend and he seems to think that I should be in the left lane here. Now admittedly I would be if it was empty, but I thought it was acceptable to take the right hand lane as well? Especially as there was a nice gap to slide into!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrEkw37jiQ

Any thoughts on this?

7mike

2,465 posts

80 months

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Benjy911 said:
Any thoughts on this?
Yep, that didn't sound like the car on your profile pic hehe

davepoth

23,452 posts

86 months

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Benjy911 said:
I was discussing this with a friend and he seems to think that I should be in the left lane here. Now admittedly I would be if it was empty, but I thought it was acceptable to take the right hand lane as well? Especially as there was a nice gap to slide into!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrEkw37jiQ

Any thoughts on this?
No markings on the roundabout means you default to the Highway Code.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...

Here's the picture.




kaf

323 posts

34 months

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Difficult to see the exact position of other traffic from the vid, but as it looks:

The silver car on your left might well be inconvenienced by your using the right lane to effectively overtake on the roundabout. You run the risk of both of you going for the same bit of road on the exit.

By taking the roundabout like that you have put yourself in the difficult position of being alongside him, if he cuts the roundabout you have no escape route.

It is never a good idea to 'voluntarily' put yourself alongside another vehicle on a roundabout because of this, keeping an offset is safer.

It may be of course that you cleared him fully before entering the roundabout in which case your route would be ok as long as you are able to keep suitable clearance ahead of him.


Benjy911

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267 posts

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kaf said:
Difficult to see the exact position of other traffic from the vid, but as it looks:

The silver car on your left might well be inconvenienced by your using the right lane to effectively overtake on the roundabout. You run the risk of both of you going for the same bit of road on the exit.

By taking the roundabout like that you have put yourself in the difficult position of being alongside him, if he cuts the roundabout you have no escape route.

It is never a good idea to 'voluntarily' put yourself alongside another vehicle on a roundabout because of this, keeping an offset is safer.

It may be of course that you cleared him fully before entering the roundabout in which case your route would be ok as long as you are able to keep suitable clearance ahead of him.
Yes, by the time I'd got parallel to the island on the first exit I'd easily cleared the BMW, the only reason I stayed left slightly was to show I wasn't trying to cut them up/slow them down and to get a clear view away from the roundabout. If they had stuck right behind the Saxo I would have hung back to avoid being stuck along side.

It's a bit of a difficult roundabout especially during rush hour, as the majority of stuff coming in the direction I came from takes the first exit, which is why I usually take the right hand lane to try and ease the congestion. Unless of course no one is indicating left and the traffic is all bunched up.

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kaf

323 posts

34 months

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Always difficult without being there.

If it was me, I would have wanted to clear him before entering the roundabout, otherwise I am at the mercy of his ability to hold his lane.

That meansI would have put myself in a position where I was reliant upon him to keep me safe and I don't trust anybody else!

Remember he may not be aware of what you are doing, with his attention fixed on traffic on the roundabout, and he may move unexpectedly.

R0G

4,094 posts

42 months

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No probs with that if your position was between the two cars when on the roundabout

Nice exit position for the next overtake

I would have used more of the oncoming lane when doing those overtakes - perhaps being completely in them as it was safe to do that

Edited by R0G on Saturday 28th April 07:52

Benbay001

3,734 posts

44 months

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I would have taken that lane too, assuming i knew the road, and intended to overtake on the next straight.
However, the final overtake i would have come out much wider, you had a good view and the car in front could quite easily have veered off course by half a meter and you would have collided.
There was no reason to stay in your lane whilst passing (or have i missed something?).
Options number 2 : im wrong entirely. laugh

R0G

4,094 posts

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Benbay001 said:
I would have taken that lane too, assuming i knew the road, and intended to overtake on the next straight.
However, the final overtake i would have come out much wider, you had a good view and the car in front could quite easily have veered off course by half a meter and you would have collided.
There was no reason to stay in your lane whilst passing (or have i missed something?).
Options number 2 : im wrong entirely. laugh
I just editted my post above with the same thought !!

R0G

4,094 posts

42 months

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To the OP -

You are confident and safe to do those overtakes so take it a bit further - use all available road space which includes being completely in the other lane and stay out a little longer if not inconveniencing another road user before returning to the left


Benjy911

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267 posts

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Yep, looking back I should have gone out wider to get past. I'll blame it on the fact my previous Corsa was only a 1.2 and I wanted to spend as little time on the other side of the road as possible! However, the advice has been listened to and in future I'll make sure when it is totally clear to pass wider to avoid any potential situations.

7db

5,951 posts

117 months

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Why overtake on the roundabout when you have so much capability to overtake on the straight either in the braking zone or accelerating out again?

It seems to be making the wrong trade-off between safety and progress to plan to nip through on the roundabout if you have those lovely straights to do it on instead.

R0G

4,094 posts

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7db said:
Why overtake on the roundabout when you have so much capability to overtake on the straight either in the braking zone or accelerating out again?

It seems to be making the wrong trade-off between safety and progress to plan to nip through on the roundabout if you have those lovely straights to do it on instead.
IMO - the safe opportunity was there so take it

Benjy911

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267 posts

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The opportunity was there to overtake without impeding on the other driver's progress, so I thought I may as well take it.

Bacon Is Proof

3,077 posts

118 months

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Far too trusting of the BMW's intentions, IMO.

R300will

3,724 posts

38 months

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Cheeky roundabout manouver and cheeky overtake just after it, probably would have resulted in a flash of the headlights on both accounts if the drivers behind were in a bad mood to start with. also that last overtake before the time ran out....didn't leave much rooom did you?

M4cruiser

793 posts

37 months

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May I add the benefit of my many years of driving experience:

This is not advanced driving. You are putting yourself at risk, for the sake of a few seconds off your journey. One day it will all go wrong and you will lose all the seconds you've saved, and more.

Best slow down, leave a bigger gap between you and the car in front.

Technically you can use the right hand lane on the approach to a roundabout if the left hand lane is blocked. But that route is meant to be used in busy conditions, to ease the flow of traffic, and everyone accepts you will all filter in again after the roundabout. It's not meant to be used as a means to overtake.



kaf

323 posts

34 months

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M4cruiser said:
Technically you can use the right hand lane on the approach to a roundabout if the left hand lane is blocked. But that route is meant to be used in busy conditions, to ease the flow of traffic, and everyone accepts you will all filter in again after the roundabout.
And here comes the grey area, I disagree, doing it this way guarantees that you will have two vehicles competing for the same bit of road at the roundabout exit.
Far from expecting you to filter in, my experience is that traffic in the left lane will consider you to be a 'queue jumper' and do it's damnedest NOT to give you room creating a conflict situation.

I would not handle a roundabout like this unless the road signs indicated to use both lanes.

R0G

4,094 posts

42 months

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M4cruiser said:
May I add the benefit of my many years of driving experience:

This is not advanced driving. You are putting yourself at risk, for the sake of a few seconds off your journey. One day it will all go wrong and you will lose all the seconds you've saved, and more.

Best slow down, leave a bigger gap between you and the car in front.

Technically you can use the right hand lane on the approach to a roundabout if the left hand lane is blocked. But that route is meant to be used in busy conditions, to ease the flow of traffic, and everyone accepts you will all filter in again after the roundabout. It's not meant to be used as a means to overtake.
That was advanced driving - learner/DSA driving would be what you described in the latter part of your post

Please remember that advanced driving is a progression from DSA driving and if something is safe and legal to do then, providing the driver has taken everything into account, there is absolutely no reason not to do it

simoid

13,095 posts

45 months

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Interesting insurance claim if there was a collision between you and either the Saxo or the Beemer.

You aren't following the HC guidance on roundabouts, so are your actions going to surprise the other drivers?

What if one of the other ones takes offence to your actions?

Suppose you've always got the rest of the roundabout as an escape route.

FYI:

Insurance company ruled the PHer 100% at fault here.
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