WWYD overtaking etiquette scenario
Discussion
danjama said:
Point noted, and I agree it is a good one. Definitely something to be cautious of.
And thanks
Just to clarify the numbers - if you are closing a 60mph vehicle at 100mph and you start 1g emergency braking 3/4 of a second after he does then you are committed to overtaking once you are within 100m of him. That's 20m in a catch-and-match technique.And thanks
Approximate result. Do your own maths. 1g braking and 3/4s reaction times are about as favourable as you could estimate. Reality is worse.
The point of 7db's numbers being that if a bike appears unexpectedly while you're doing the option c) overtake, it's a much bigger problem because of the high differential speed.
It's easy to think of the time on the wrong side of the road as the only risk factor, but if your speed means you can't get off the wrong side when an oncomer appears, then that higher speed is making things worse.
It's easy to think of the time on the wrong side of the road as the only risk factor, but if your speed means you can't get off the wrong side when an oncomer appears, then that higher speed is making things worse.
S. Gonzales Esq. said:
It's easy to think of the time on the wrong side of the road as the only risk factor, but if your speed means you can't get off the wrong side when an oncomer appears, then that higher speed is making things worse.
As a supplementary point: you can crash on the right side of the road, too. The real point is that TED starts once you are committed to the overtake not when you are offside.And it's not about minimising TED. It's about making your time offside safe.
IT1GTR said:
Buggles said:
FoundOnRoadside said:
e) Buzz them fast enough that their car rocks...
Love that!
It wasn't big and wasn't clever, but in my defence the ex-Police Class 1 instructor next to me was the one going "C'mon lad, its clear for miles, use all the power and another gear..."
SS7
dont forget a blast of the horn and a w
ker sign when you do him at 120
I would go with C, possibly with honking and gestures 
I jest.
I had the uncomfortable situation yesterday that I was on a B road, in the monsoon, with a colleague in an A3 2.0 TDi in front (faster than my Escort 1.6), both heading from a customer back to the office, with another car just a little further down the road. The front car was doing maybe 55 in a 60 or something and I wanted to get back to the office, my colleague had no intention of overtaking and I eventually leap frogged past them when the view ahead was good.
Hoping my colleague wasn't offended or Monday morning could be awkward.
I jest.
I had the uncomfortable situation yesterday that I was on a B road, in the monsoon, with a colleague in an A3 2.0 TDi in front (faster than my Escort 1.6), both heading from a customer back to the office, with another car just a little further down the road. The front car was doing maybe 55 in a 60 or something and I wanted to get back to the office, my colleague had no intention of overtaking and I eventually leap frogged past them when the view ahead was good.
Hoping my colleague wasn't offended or Monday morning could be awkward.
scarble said:
I would go with C, possibly with honking and gestures
I jest.
I had the uncomfortable situation yesterday that I was on a B road, in the monsoon, with a colleague in an A3 2.0 TDi in front (faster than my Escort 1.6), both heading from a customer back to the office, with another car just a little further down the road. The front car was doing maybe 55 in a 60 or something and I wanted to get back to the office, my colleague had no intention of overtaking and I eventually leap frogged past them when the view ahead was good.
Hoping my colleague wasn't offended or Monday morning could be awkward.
He will DEFINITELY think you're a prat. Especially since your car is worth 5% of his. He'll think you got a little bout of small-man syndrome. Even if you didn't.I jest.
I had the uncomfortable situation yesterday that I was on a B road, in the monsoon, with a colleague in an A3 2.0 TDi in front (faster than my Escort 1.6), both heading from a customer back to the office, with another car just a little further down the road. The front car was doing maybe 55 in a 60 or something and I wanted to get back to the office, my colleague had no intention of overtaking and I eventually leap frogged past them when the view ahead was good.
Hoping my colleague wasn't offended or Monday morning could be awkward.
ian_uk1975 said:
c.
The Daewoo driver isn't being especially courteous, or sensible, by doing 40 in an NSL zone, so I wouldn't feel bad about blatting past him.
I once got stopped, by a concerned BIB for "Overtaking in a manner likely to cause an old biddy to be surprised, and maybe loose control" The Daewoo driver isn't being especially courteous, or sensible, by doing 40 in an NSL zone, so I wouldn't feel bad about blatting past him.
I never went over the speed limit, but I did use a low gear with high revs, on a car that was quite noisy at high revs, on a bend which was long and sweeping and you could see 500 yrds of road was clear.
I still think they could and should carry out eye sight checks on old people if overtaking old people was dangerous because they might be blind drivers with dimentia and unsure what day it was.
chilistrucker said:
if someone is quickly approaching from behind in a safe manner, and gives the odd quick flash to let me know, then i'll do my best to aid their pass, as shock horror i reguarly check my mirrors.
Night time on the A251 in Kent, a narrow country road I know inside out. Behind an artic at 40 in a NSL. Pulled to the wrong side of the road as we approached an overtaking point and flashed high beam, we cleared the gentle corner and he indicated left to confirm. He hugged left and I accelerated past and comfortably completed the overtake with no stress to either party. We exchanged flashes of mutual thanks at the end.If only it was always this way.... but then I am old ;P
7db said:
As a supplementary point: you can crash on the right side of the road, too. The real point is that TED starts once you are committed to the overtake not when you are offside.
And it's not about minimising TED. It's about making your time offside safe.
+1And it's not about minimising TED. It's about making your time offside safe.
I think that when approaching an overtake being on the 'wrong' side of the road can sometimes be safer than being on the left. Visibility is better and you have an additional option if the vehicle in front brakes suddenly.
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