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ian_uk1975

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977 posts

85 months

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Monday 18th June 2012 quote quote all
For some reason, I've started to notice that more and more drivers seem not to adopt correct lane position when waiting to turn right (ie. move over just inside the white line so as to provide room for traffic behind to pass on the left). I've noticed lots of drivers simply stopping pretty-much in the middle of the lane with their right indicator flashing away.

Anyone else noticed this trend?

danjama

1,705 posts

25 months

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Monday 18th June 2012 quote quote all
Happened to me today when leaving my sisters. The road exit is very wide, yet the person in the van in front smacked himself in the middle of it. Just plain ignorant.

0a

12,650 posts

77 months

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Monday 18th June 2012 quote quote all
Yes, all ages do it.

I just try not to get annoyed by it and do it properly myself.

Zad

9,527 posts

119 months

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Tuesday 19th June 2012 quote quote all
I think they do it to stop other traffic squeezing past in the inside, for fear it will damage their precious D reg Transit or whatever. Positioning to turn right is one of those things that my teacher taught me quite early one. It is the sort of thing that is easy to learn but gives you a sense of doing things properly.

R0G

3,859 posts

38 months

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Tuesday 19th June 2012 quote quote all
Even if the road is wide enough for the one turning right to slightly straddle the white line they will not do it but that is probably due to DSA style training where they are taught not to cross the white line

Many also turn the front wheels to the right whilst waiting which is just waiting for a rear end hit to send tham into oncoming traffic !!


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robbyd

328 posts

58 months

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Tuesday 19th June 2012 quote quote all
... and waiting to pull out from side roads, too - nose out 3' into the carriageway....

supersport

2,157 posts

110 months

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Thursday 21st June 2012 quote quote all
Seems to be yet another symptom of modern lazy driving along with not using those funny little orange flashy things on the corners of their cars.

ian_uk1975

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977 posts

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Thursday 21st June 2012 quote quote all
supersport said:
Seems to be yet another symptom of modern lazy driving along with not using those funny little orange flashy things on the corners of their cars.
I've often been heard to say out of frustration that I wish manufacturers would stop fitting indicators (and fog lights) so we don't get wound-up by people either not using them at all, or mis-using them!

simoid

12,491 posts

41 months

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Thursday 21st June 2012 quote quote all
I experience this at a junction near my house more times than not if a car is turning right. Occasionally I'll make them aware of my presence in their nearside mirror!

AnotherGareth

164 posts

57 months

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Friday 22nd June 2012 quote quote all
ian_uk1975 said:
move over just inside the white line so as to provide room for traffic behind to pass on the left
It's not always appropriate - it pains me to see drivers attempting to do this when it reduces their safety and that of other road users.

ian_uk1975

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AnotherGareth said:
It's not always appropriate - it pains me to see drivers attempting to do this when it reduces their safety and that of other road users.
Can you provide an example of this?

R0G

3,859 posts

38 months

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Friday 22nd June 2012 quote quote all
AnotherGareth said:
ian_uk1975 said:
move over just inside the white line so as to provide room for traffic behind to pass on the left
It's not always appropriate - it pains me to see drivers attempting to do this when it reduces their safety and that of other road users.
All depends on the actual situation

If it makes the situation too tight then its not a good idea

R0G

3,859 posts

38 months

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Friday 22nd June 2012 quote quote all
I do a right turn near me where the road is wide enough for me to straddle the white line whilst waiting and that allows enough safe room for a LGV to pass each way

kaf

323 posts

30 months

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Friday 22nd June 2012 quote quote all
ian_uk1975 said:
Can you provide an example of this?
eg. Cars parked on the offside close to a junction,

AnotherGareth

164 posts

57 months

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Saturday 23rd June 2012 quote quote all
ian_uk1975 said:
Can you provide an example of this?
I imagine any reasonably experienced driver could think of a few. One might be where the junction arrangement is such that emerging vehicles turning left are likely to cross the centre line of the main road, this being more likely is the main road is NSL and visibility to their right a bit limited. Another situation where this can be likely is if the emerging vehicle is performing a hill start in order to pull out. Another could be on an NSL road where the right turn is on or before a bend and where the forward visibility is obscured by, say, shrubbery up to the offside edge of the road. In the this example it might be important to retain the view along the main road and to be seen by on-coming traffic. A third example might be where the lanes are not quite wide enough to allow a following vehicle to slide by on the inside, and so encouraging them not to make the attempt leaves the driver with one less thing to keep an eye on.

Edited by AnotherGareth on Saturday 23 June 17:25

ShampooEfficient

3,210 posts

94 months

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Saturday 23rd June 2012 quote quote all
R0G said:
I do a right turn near me where the road is wide enough for me to straddle the white line whilst waiting and that allows enough safe room for a LGV to pass each way
I would never do this, based on the number of drivers paying the bare minimum of attention, who wouldn't notice you were over the line until they bounced off your headlamp...

What gets me is the increasing number of people who cannot position their car in the right-turn refuge in the middle of the road, so block the entire lane. ~Same idea as the OP, but with more paint.

ian_uk1975

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Saturday 23rd June 2012 quote quote all
AnotherGareth said:
I imagine any reasonably experienced driver could think of a few. One might be where the junction arrangement is such that emerging vehicles turning left are likely to cross the centre line of the main road, this being more likely is the main road is NSL and visibility to their right a bit limited. Another situation where this can be likely is if the emerging vehicle is performing a hill start in order to pull out. Another could be on an NSL road where the right turn is on or before a bend and where the forward visibility is obscured by, say, shrubbery up to the offside edge of the road. In the this example it might be important to retain the view along the main road and to be seen by on-coming traffic. A third example might be where the lanes are not quite wide enough to allow a following vehicle to slide by on the inside, and so encouraging them not to make the attempt leaves the driver with one less thing to keep an eye on.

Edited by AnotherGareth on Saturday 23 June 17:25
Valid points, although in these instances, one could also argue the driver waiting to pull-out should simply wait until the driver waiting to turn right opposite the junction has completed the move.

My original gripe, however, had nothing to do with situations where one could split hairs and argue the actions of the driving wanting to turn right were justified. I'm talking about blatant cases where drivers stopping to turn right where there's plenty of visibility and room all around, simply stop in the middle of the lane with their right indicator flashing away.

cooldude27uk

40 posts

63 months

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Thursday 5th July 2012 quote quote all
Its just another example of lazy and inconsiderate driving that seems to be affecting everyday driving in the UK.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.

DocSteve

309 posts

105 months

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Thursday 5th July 2012 quote quote all
cooldude27uk said:
Its just another example of lazy and inconsiderate driving that seems to be affecting everyday driving in the UK.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
"Letting out" implies giving an instruction to another driver, which is not to be advised. However, you might be referring to another more reasonable practice. Say, for example, you wish to turn right into a minor road and there are numerous vehicles following you but no oncoming vehicle, and there is a vehicle signalling to turn right from the same minor road. In this situation, I would argue you might wish to indicate and slow down so that the vehicle wishing to emerge considers it safe to make the manoeuvre. By doing this, you have made minimal impact on the progress of the multiple vehicles behind but also allowed the vehicle emerging to safely get on with its journey.


waremark

1,915 posts

96 months

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Friday 6th July 2012 quote quote all
DocSteve said:
cooldude27uk said:
Its just another example of lazy and inconsiderate driving that seems to be affecting everyday driving in the UK.
There seems to be no consideration for other road users.
Just one other point to add to the turning right scenerio, what about the one where the driver turning right from a major to a minor lets the car out of the minor road! Where is that one in the highway code... thats my biggest bug bare when it comes to right turns.
"Letting out" implies giving an instruction to another driver, which is not to be advised. However, you might be referring to another more reasonable practice. Say, for example, you wish to turn right into a minor road and there are numerous vehicles following you but no oncoming vehicle, and there is a vehicle signalling to turn right from the same minor road. In this situation, I would argue you might wish to indicate and slow down so that the vehicle wishing to emerge considers it safe to make the manoeuvre. By doing this, you have made minimal impact on the progress of the multiple vehicles behind but also allowed the vehicle emerging to safely get on with its journey.
Thank heavens many people do this (letting out, that is), otherwise it would be virtually impossible to get out from our minor road onto the major road to which it leads.
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