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KardioKate

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Right, I'm looking for the 'non-advanced' answer to this question, really, well the DSA standard.

Should you indicate around parked cars or not?

Cheers!

7mike

2,390 posts

78 months

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KardioKate said:
Right, I'm looking for the 'non-advanced' answer to this question, really, well the DSA standard.

Should you indicate around parked cars or not?

Cheers!
Never got pupils to do when I taught learners. Never had a problem with DSA over it. (but as with all things driving; never is like always, words I try to avoid)

Genelec

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I think when I was learning you treat parked cars as part of the road, so therefore no indicating. However I really think it depends on the circumstances, don't really believe in a hard fast rule for everything!

Synchromesh

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Who would you be indicating to?
What message would you be conveying?
Would your signal affect their driving plan?
Would there be a possibility of causing further confusion?
Would you find it useful if a car you were following indicated around parked cars?

For me;
A following vehicle if there was one.
That I would be continuing along the road, manoeuvring around the obstacle.
No. It's a given that I would be continuing along the road, manoeuvring around any obstacle that doesn't completely block my path.
Yes. For example if there was a junction of driveway to the offside.
No. It's a given that they would be continuing along the road, manoeuvring around any obstacle that doesn't completely block their path. If they were to not do this (i.e. stop, which is the only other option) this would be clear from, errr, the fact they came to a stop.

So in summary, no. I'd use chassis language (road positioning) to make my intentions clear (i.e. I'd move out early, also giving me a better view, giving me the option to move back in before the parked car).

However, (this is the AD forum after all) I would always consider a signal. For example, if there was a vehicle that looked as if it may overtake, I'd signal very early to deter them.

KardioKate

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So to pass a DSA test, the answer is a no?
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mrmr96

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Synchromesh said:
For example, if there was a vehicle that looked as if it may overtake, I'd signal very early to deter them.
This.

Say there's a faster car or a bike or something behind you and they may overtake as you pull out.
Or if you're driving a 4x4 or a van which would block the view of the road for following vehicles.
In these cases a signal makes a LOT of sense.

james_gt3rs

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76 months

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KardioKate said:
So to pass a DSA test, the answer is a no?
That's what my instructor told me IIRC...

7mike

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KardioKate said:
So to pass a DSA test, the answer is a no?
That's correct; if you need a simple answer. Although why would a learner not be able to show awareness of a situation like that described by Syncromesh and consider for themselves when a signal would be beneficial? It's not 'advanced', it's simply communicating with other road users. Too easy to get bogged down with 'doing it THE right way'.

vonhosen

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The DSA tester will be most concerned if it's missing when it would of benefited or it's given but misleading.

james_gt3rs

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vonhosen said:
The DSA tester will be most concerned if it's missing when it would of benefited or it's given but misleading.
So the situation there is if there is a side road and the driver indicates right to go past the traffic, but doesn't go down the side road. Hence why you don't need to indicate when passing parked cars.

vonhosen

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james_gt3rs said:
vonhosen said:
The DSA tester will be most concerned if it's missing when it would of benefited or it's given but misleading.
So the situation there is if there is a side road and the driver indicates right to go past the traffic, but doesn't go down the side road. Hence why you don't need to indicate when passing parked cars.
It's going to depend on the circumstances.

Do you need to always signal passing a stationary vehicle ?
No

Might it be the most appropriate thing to do in some circumstances ?
Yes.

Synchromesh

2,128 posts

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KardioKate said:
Right, I'm looking for the 'non-advanced' answer to this question, really, well the DSA standard.

Should you indicate around parked cars or not?
Kate, are you looking for DSA or Yes/No answer because you think it'll be more simple, or are you asking on behalf of someone who's preparing for their DSA test?

R0G

3,915 posts

40 months

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Generally...... not always...

If you are going to get close to the obstruction and angle out fairly quickly to go around it then indicate three times and cancel - that way it cannot be confused for anything else

If you can set up early be gently easing out to pass the obstrauction then no indicating necessary

Both of the above done with ongoing mirror checks

KardioKate

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Synchromesh said:
Kate, are you looking for DSA or Yes/No answer because you think it'll be more simple, or are you asking on behalf of someone who's preparing for their DSA test?
The second one smile

I know the advanced stance on it from my local group.

R0G

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R0G said:
Generally...... not always...

If you are going to get close to the obstruction and angle out fairly quickly to go around it then indicate three times and cancel - that way it cannot be confused for anything else

If you can set up early be gently easing out to pass the obstrauction then no indicating necessary

Both of the above done with ongoing mirror checks
My reply is based on what I taught for the LGV DSA test

S2Mike

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35 months

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R0G said:
R0G said:
Generally...... not always...

If you are going to get close to the obstruction and angle out fairly quickly to go around it then indicate three times and cancel - that way it cannot be confused for anything else

If you can set up early be gently easing out to pass the obstrauction then no indicating necessary

Both of the above done with ongoing mirror checks
My reply is based on what I taught for the LGV DSA test
Thats how I understand the rules, from when I passed the test, but that was 12 years ago.

If it benefits another road user then yes, the same as turning left into a minor road, if no-one is about/or would benefit and you are sure, dont indicate.
The act of setting up early also shows hazard perception is good.

robbyd

335 posts

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If it's stationary, or parked, and my right wheels will cross the centre line of the road, then I always give a flick - it's of benefit to anyone behind, or approaching. If I don't need to cross the centreline to pass it, I won't overtake. Same goes for passing cyclists.

7mike

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Come to think of it, I rarely find the need to do this when driving LGV/PCV let alone cars. Try this test if in doubt; count how many times you have near misses with parked cars because the vehicle ahead didn't indicate. Anything more than zero and I'd suggest it's you and not the driver ahead who is the problem.

R0G

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7mike said:
Come to think of it, I rarely find the need to do this when driving LGV/PCV let alone cars. Try this test if in doubt; count how many times you have near misses with parked cars because the vehicle ahead didn't indicate. Anything more than zero and I'd suggest it's you and not the driver ahead who is the problem.
But we are referring to the DSA test and we all know that is different to real life driving

robbyd

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I'd say much use of 'indicating' is a courtesy thing. Sure, it's not necessary to indicate when crossing the centre line, but if someone's coming into 'my' space from the other direction I appreciate the signal. I signal when returning to lane from an overtake (albeit one flick left) - and appreciate the courtesy when others do it..
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