Indicating.

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FlauM

380 posts

152 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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I try to indicate the majority of the time as some tool once tried to overtake me when I was passing a parked car. He was so close to my backside he couldn't see round me, thus had no vision of any parked cars or obstacles/dangers.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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R0G said:
vonhosen said:
DSA driving doesn't encourage automatic indicating.
By the nature of the way that the DSA want the test done then indicating is certainly much more encouraged than advanced

DSA examiners seem to prefer a signal is used when totally unncessary so it reduces any incident where the candidate might forget to use it and I can see that is probably a safer way for a learner to behave
They shouldn't mark you down for not signalling when there is no-one around & they shouldn't mark you down for signalling when there is no-one around. They will where you don't signal where there is someone to benefit &/or your signal is likely mislead (ie poorly timed).

ROG said:
Learners tend to do many things by using a fixed system which helps them not to forget something
MSM is a fixed routine for learners
In the same way IPSGA is for others ?

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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vonhosen said:
In the same way IPSGA is for others ?
Not the same because IPSGA is more flexible

'I' for example does mean signal but means consider all the information and decide on what options are available

Vaux

1,557 posts

215 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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vonhosen said:
R0G said:
vonhosen said:
DSA driving doesn't encourage automatic indicating.
By the nature of the way that the DSA want the test done then indicating is certainly much more encouraged than advanced

DSA examiners seem to prefer a signal is used when totally unncessary so it reduces any incident where the candidate might forget to use it and I can see that is probably a safer way for a learner to behave
They shouldn't mark you down for not signalling when there is no-one around & they shouldn't mark you down for signalling when there is no-one around. They will where you don't signal where there is someone to benefit &/or your signal is likely mislead (ie poorly timed).
Examiners might look at it like that, but all ADI training material I've seen advocates signalling for major to minor junctions even if there are no road users to benefit, a reason being, "in case" there is someone in the side road you haven't seen yet.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Thursday 26th July 2012
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R0G said:
vonhosen said:
In the same way IPSGA is for others ?
Not the same because IPSGA is more flexible

'I' for example does mean signal but means consider all the information and decide on what options are available
MSM is just as flexible, you don't have to signal, you have to consider it.

vonhosen

40,198 posts

216 months

Thursday 26th July 2012
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Vaux said:
vonhosen said:
R0G said:
vonhosen said:
DSA driving doesn't encourage automatic indicating.
By the nature of the way that the DSA want the test done then indicating is certainly much more encouraged than advanced

DSA examiners seem to prefer a signal is used when totally unncessary so it reduces any incident where the candidate might forget to use it and I can see that is probably a safer way for a learner to behave
They shouldn't mark you down for not signalling when there is no-one around & they shouldn't mark you down for signalling when there is no-one around. They will where you don't signal where there is someone to benefit &/or your signal is likely mislead (ie poorly timed).
Examiners might look at it like that, but all ADI training material I've seen advocates signalling for major to minor junctions even if there are no road users to benefit, a reason being, "in case" there is someone in the side road you haven't seen yet.
As long as it isn't going to mislead that isn't a problem. You won't have seen all ADI training material, just some trainers views on it.
You only need to look at the DT/1 to see the DSA's view (as the governing body) rather than others.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

206 months

Thursday 26th July 2012
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Way, way back, 1966, if memory serves correctly, when I took my car test, one had to indicate to pass every parked car.
That, of course, was before many urban streets were full of parked cars.
Some years later, I forget how many, I heard that was no longer the case.
So, now, I'm with the intelligent, thinking approach.
Who will benefit and do not confuse others.

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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7mike said:
Come to think of it, I rarely find the need to do this when driving LGV/PCV let alone cars. Try this test if in doubt; count how many times you have near misses with parked cars because the vehicle ahead didn't indicate. Anything more than zero and I'd suggest it's you and not the driver ahead who is the problem.
Flawed thinking. you indicate to cars behind you that you are moving right meaning they are then aware there may be someonething encroaching the roadway ahead and thereby preventing them driving into the parked car.

This is because most motorists dont have a clue and drive like zombies.

7mike

3,005 posts

192 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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TallbutBuxomly said:
7mike said:
Come to think of it, I rarely find the need to do this when driving LGV/PCV let alone cars. Try this test if in doubt; count how many times you have near misses with parked cars because the vehicle ahead didn't indicate. Anything more than zero and I'd suggest it's you and not the driver ahead who is the problem.
Flawed thinking. you indicate to cars behind you that you are moving right meaning they are then aware there may be someonething encroaching the roadway ahead and thereby preventing them driving into the parked car.

This is because most motorists dont have a clue and drive like zombies.
OK thanks, I'll stick with my flawed thinking if it's all the same.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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Many drivers follow like sheep so if the lorry in front moves out to pass parked vehicles then that is what the rest behind will do

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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7mike said:
OK thanks, I'll stick with my flawed thinking if it's all the same.
7mike. Just because you pay attention when driving does not mean others do. As poster above says largely the sheeple will follow but for those who don't you give them a further heads up that all is not as it seems.

7mike

3,005 posts

192 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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TallbutBuxomly said:
7mike. Just because you pay attention when driving does not mean others do. As poster above says largely the sheeple will follow but for those who don't you give them a further heads up that all is not as it seems.
I prefer to use the means of communication I deem most appropriate to the circumstances. Personally I find early positioning to be the most effective, and crucially the least likely to be open to misinterpretation, in many situations. I’ve never yet seen a vehicle plough into a parked car because the vehicle ahead did not indicate. As most drivers don’t indicate past stationary obstructions I’d be interested in any stats you have which suggest this is a major problem. I have however had a near miss with a car pulling out from the right when the driver of the car I was a passenger in decided it would be a good idea to bang the right indicator on.

BigAdam

21 posts

139 months

Saturday 18th August 2012
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When I was learning my driving instructor taught me that the best rule to use was as follows;

If you are going to cross/straddle the middle white lines you have the potential to cause other traffic issues, so indicate, if you're not going to cross/staddle the white lines you are continuing in your lane and have no need to indicate, so don't.

His reasoning for this was the incident involving the overtake mentioned earlier in this thread, if you are going to cross/straddle the white lines you would cause an issue to a vehicle overtaking, if you are not going to cross/straddle the white lines you are staying in your lane and are not going to encroach on their overtake so there is no problem. Equally the same for oncoming vehicles.

henrycrun

2,448 posts

239 months

Saturday 18th August 2012
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Good advice in the case of parked cars. However it is always good to indicate when overtaking cyclists and mopeds (regardless of whether crossing the white line) just in case the guy behind is not paying attention.

ian_uk1975

1,189 posts

201 months

Monday 20th August 2012
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BigAdam said:
When I was learning my driving instructor taught me that the best rule to use was as follows;

If you are going to cross/straddle the middle white lines you have the potential to cause other traffic issues, so indicate, if you're not going to cross/staddle the white lines you are continuing in your lane and have no need to indicate, so don't.

His reasoning for this was the incident involving the overtake mentioned earlier in this thread, if you are going to cross/straddle the white lines you would cause an issue to a vehicle overtaking, if you are not going to cross/straddle the white lines you are staying in your lane and are not going to encroach on their overtake so there is no problem. Equally the same for oncoming vehicles.
Trouble is, the vast majority of motorists indicate simultaneously with executing their maneuver, thus making it completely pointless.

George7

1,130 posts

149 months

Monday 20th August 2012
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If, due to the cars coming the way, I have to come to a complete halt in front of the parked car, I will indicate when pulling back out, just incase someone behind assumes I've also parked and tries to accelerate round me. Normally though, and if the road's clear the other way, I don't.

CelicaLincs

21 posts

139 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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ian_uk1975 said:
Trouble is, the vast majority of motorists indicate simultaneously with executing their maneuver, thus making it completely pointless.
Agreed, and that really grates with me, especially when I'm overtaking on a motorway and some knob thinks it's fine to indicate after he's started moving, but that's a whole other story.

martine

67 posts

210 months

Saturday 1st September 2012
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Yes or you get the 'one-flasher' who seems to be in the middle-camp of "I should indicate" but will show how I much disdain such a thing by doing the "minumum indicator flash" I can.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

208 months

Saturday 1st September 2012
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CelicaLincs said:
ian_uk1975 said:
Trouble is, the vast majority of motorists indicate simultaneously with executing their maneuver, thus making it completely pointless.
Agreed, and that really grates with me, especially when I'm overtaking on a motorway and some knob thinks it's fine to indicate after he's started moving, but that's a whole other story.
Worse still indicate leave it a flash or 3 then move irrespective of a gap and let the other road users avoid the crash that would happen if they didn't make way.

thiscocks

3,127 posts

194 months

Monday 10th September 2012
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NO. Totally pointless. Everytime I see it done I assume the car is turing right. Even worse when done going past turnings and slowing down. Very annoying.