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R0G said:
vonhosen said:
DSA driving doesn't encourage automatic indicating.
By the nature of the way that the DSA want the test done then indicating is certainly much more encouraged than advancedDSA examiners seem to prefer a signal is used when totally unncessary so it reduces any incident where the candidate might forget to use it and I can see that is probably a safer way for a learner to behave
ROG said:
Learners tend to do many things by using a fixed system which helps them not to forget something
MSM is a fixed routine for learners
In the same way IPSGA is for others ?MSM is a fixed routine for learners
vonhosen said:
R0G said:
vonhosen said:
DSA driving doesn't encourage automatic indicating.
By the nature of the way that the DSA want the test done then indicating is certainly much more encouraged than advancedDSA examiners seem to prefer a signal is used when totally unncessary so it reduces any incident where the candidate might forget to use it and I can see that is probably a safer way for a learner to behave
R0G said:
vonhosen said:
In the same way IPSGA is for others ?
Not the same because IPSGA is more flexible'I' for example does mean signal but means consider all the information and decide on what options are available
Vaux said:
vonhosen said:
R0G said:
vonhosen said:
DSA driving doesn't encourage automatic indicating.
By the nature of the way that the DSA want the test done then indicating is certainly much more encouraged than advancedDSA examiners seem to prefer a signal is used when totally unncessary so it reduces any incident where the candidate might forget to use it and I can see that is probably a safer way for a learner to behave
You only need to look at the DT/1 to see the DSA's view (as the governing body) rather than others.
Way, way back, 1966, if memory serves correctly, when I took my car test, one had to indicate to pass every parked car.
That, of course, was before many urban streets were full of parked cars.
Some years later, I forget how many, I heard that was no longer the case.
So, now, I'm with the intelligent, thinking approach.
Who will benefit and do not confuse others.
That, of course, was before many urban streets were full of parked cars.
Some years later, I forget how many, I heard that was no longer the case.
So, now, I'm with the intelligent, thinking approach.
Who will benefit and do not confuse others.
7mike said:
Come to think of it, I rarely find the need to do this when driving LGV/PCV let alone cars. Try this test if in doubt; count how many times you have near misses with parked cars because the vehicle ahead didn't indicate. Anything more than zero and I'd suggest it's you and not the driver ahead who is the problem.
Flawed thinking. you indicate to cars behind you that you are moving right meaning they are then aware there may be someonething encroaching the roadway ahead and thereby preventing them driving into the parked car.This is because most motorists dont have a clue and drive like zombies.
TallbutBuxomly said:
7mike said:
Come to think of it, I rarely find the need to do this when driving LGV/PCV let alone cars. Try this test if in doubt; count how many times you have near misses with parked cars because the vehicle ahead didn't indicate. Anything more than zero and I'd suggest it's you and not the driver ahead who is the problem.
Flawed thinking. you indicate to cars behind you that you are moving right meaning they are then aware there may be someonething encroaching the roadway ahead and thereby preventing them driving into the parked car.This is because most motorists dont have a clue and drive like zombies.
7mike said:
OK thanks, I'll stick with my flawed thinking if it's all the same.
7mike. Just because you pay attention when driving does not mean others do. As poster above says largely the sheeple will follow but for those who don't you give them a further heads up that all is not as it seems.TallbutBuxomly said:
7mike. Just because you pay attention when driving does not mean others do. As poster above says largely the sheeple will follow but for those who don't you give them a further heads up that all is not as it seems.
I prefer to use the means of communication I deem most appropriate to the circumstances. Personally I find early positioning to be the most effective, and crucially the least likely to be open to misinterpretation, in many situations. I’ve never yet seen a vehicle plough into a parked car because the vehicle ahead did not indicate. As most drivers don’t indicate past stationary obstructions I’d be interested in any stats you have which suggest this is a major problem. I have however had a near miss with a car pulling out from the right when the driver of the car I was a passenger in decided it would be a good idea to bang the right indicator on.When I was learning my driving instructor taught me that the best rule to use was as follows;
If you are going to cross/straddle the middle white lines you have the potential to cause other traffic issues, so indicate, if you're not going to cross/staddle the white lines you are continuing in your lane and have no need to indicate, so don't.
His reasoning for this was the incident involving the overtake mentioned earlier in this thread, if you are going to cross/straddle the white lines you would cause an issue to a vehicle overtaking, if you are not going to cross/straddle the white lines you are staying in your lane and are not going to encroach on their overtake so there is no problem. Equally the same for oncoming vehicles.
If you are going to cross/straddle the middle white lines you have the potential to cause other traffic issues, so indicate, if you're not going to cross/staddle the white lines you are continuing in your lane and have no need to indicate, so don't.
His reasoning for this was the incident involving the overtake mentioned earlier in this thread, if you are going to cross/straddle the white lines you would cause an issue to a vehicle overtaking, if you are not going to cross/straddle the white lines you are staying in your lane and are not going to encroach on their overtake so there is no problem. Equally the same for oncoming vehicles.
BigAdam said:
When I was learning my driving instructor taught me that the best rule to use was as follows;
If you are going to cross/straddle the middle white lines you have the potential to cause other traffic issues, so indicate, if you're not going to cross/staddle the white lines you are continuing in your lane and have no need to indicate, so don't.
His reasoning for this was the incident involving the overtake mentioned earlier in this thread, if you are going to cross/straddle the white lines you would cause an issue to a vehicle overtaking, if you are not going to cross/straddle the white lines you are staying in your lane and are not going to encroach on their overtake so there is no problem. Equally the same for oncoming vehicles.
Trouble is, the vast majority of motorists indicate simultaneously with executing their maneuver, thus making it completely pointless.If you are going to cross/straddle the middle white lines you have the potential to cause other traffic issues, so indicate, if you're not going to cross/staddle the white lines you are continuing in your lane and have no need to indicate, so don't.
His reasoning for this was the incident involving the overtake mentioned earlier in this thread, if you are going to cross/straddle the white lines you would cause an issue to a vehicle overtaking, if you are not going to cross/straddle the white lines you are staying in your lane and are not going to encroach on their overtake so there is no problem. Equally the same for oncoming vehicles.
If, due to the cars coming the way, I have to come to a complete halt in front of the parked car, I will indicate when pulling back out, just incase someone behind assumes I've also parked and tries to accelerate round me. Normally though, and if the road's clear the other way, I don't.
ian_uk1975 said:
Trouble is, the vast majority of motorists indicate simultaneously with executing their maneuver, thus making it completely pointless.
Agreed, and that really grates with me, especially when I'm overtaking on a motorway and some knob thinks it's fine to indicate after he's started moving, but that's a whole other story.CelicaLincs said:
ian_uk1975 said:
Trouble is, the vast majority of motorists indicate simultaneously with executing their maneuver, thus making it completely pointless.
Agreed, and that really grates with me, especially when I'm overtaking on a motorway and some knob thinks it's fine to indicate after he's started moving, but that's a whole other story.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff