What exactly is advanced driving.
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vonhosen said:
waremark said:
vonhosen said:
It's all a bit relative though.
The DSA have an 'advanced' test & I suppose 'advanced' rather depends on where you see the pinnacle as being. I mean multiplication is more advanced than addition, but does that mean simple multiplication is advanced mathematics?
Is an IAM test pass closer to a DSA test standard pass or what you might consider the pinnacle of driving?
What do you consider to be the pinnacle of driving? Would this be on your shortlist?The DSA have an 'advanced' test & I suppose 'advanced' rather depends on where you see the pinnacle as being. I mean multiplication is more advanced than addition, but does that mean simple multiplication is advanced mathematics?
Is an IAM test pass closer to a DSA test standard pass or what you might consider the pinnacle of driving?
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7mike said:
Most people I meet that have attended speed awareness courses are quite positive about the experience.
They are going to though aren't they? Wonder if they say the same to their mates in the boozer? It's a bit like telling a magistrate what a good boy they are going to be from now on, after getting done. These people are going to say anything they can to keep their license I think.25NAD90TUL said:
7mike said:
Most people I meet that have attended speed awareness courses are quite positive about the experience.
They are going to though aren't they? Wonder if they say the same to their mates in the boozer? It's a bit like telling a magistrate what a good boy they are going to be from now on, after getting done. These people are going to say anything they can to keep their license I think.As it happens, I was outed as a 'plant', since one of the course instructors on the day was the man who organises our local IAM Regional Training Team.
25NAD90TUL said:
7mike said:
Most people I meet that have attended speed awareness courses are quite positive about the experience.
They are going to though aren't they? Wonder if they say the same to their mates in the boozer? It's a bit like telling a magistrate what a good boy they are going to be from now on, after getting done. These people are going to say anything they can to keep their license I think.Toltec said:
25NAD90TUL said:
Perhaps this is why Tom Topper called his method 'Very Advanced Driving'
Still have that somewhere, bought it a few months before getting my provisional licence.25NAD90TUL said:
7mike said:
Most people I meet that have attended speed awareness courses are quite positive about the experience.
They are going to though aren't they? Wonder if they say the same to their mates in the boozer? It's a bit like telling a magistrate what a good boy they are going to be from now on, after getting done. These people are going to say anything they can to keep their license I think.MC Bodge said:
Toltec said:
25NAD90TUL said:
Perhaps this is why Tom Topper called his method 'Very Advanced Driving'
Still have that somewhere, bought it a few months before getting my provisional licence.Edited by p1esk on Wednesday 8th January 08:26
MC Bodge said:
Toltec said:
25NAD90TUL said:
Perhaps this is why Tom Topper called his method 'Very Advanced Driving'
Still have that somewhere, bought it a few months before getting my provisional licence.MC Bodge said:
I wasn't that impressed with it. The author sounded fairly arrogant and recommended some fairly dubious practices from what I remember.
Agreed. I have a copy from about 1963, purely for amusement value and to illustrate how far thinking has come. This book really is a product of its time - in recent decades, the only people I've come across with hangover attitudes from this era have been a few Police instructors and John Lyon himself. I do however think that organisations like IAM and RoSPA have now tipped into a fear-driven (ie fear of the Daily Mail) political correctness which hugely hampers their ability to teach safe and effective driving and riding.Technomad said:
I do however think that organisations like IAM and RoSPA have now tipped into a fear-driven (ie fear of the Daily Mail) political correctness which hugely hampers their ability to teach safe and effective driving and riding.
You will have to explain what you mean by that. Please. p1esk said:
I quite liked the book. Mr T has a fairly robust way of expressing himself, and some of his ideas might provoke a slight raising of an eyebrow, but it prompts a bit of new thinking, which I don't regard as a bad thing. He certainly isn't an unquestioning advocate of the existing AD industry, so of course I'd have some time for him.
I tend to subconsciously base my writing style in these forums on Topper's style...That's why I p*ss so many people off, it isn't intentional, must have just picked up on his 'robust way of expressing himself'...My favourite quote from his book is: 'Bow out through a hedge backwards rather than having a head-on, such points of honour will flash through your (hopefully) active brain'...priceless.Edited by p1esk on Wednesday 8th January 08:26
Edited by 25NAD90TUL on Monday 13th January 00:36
7mike said:
Why do you think they wouldn't be honest to me? I've nothing to do with their previous course & certainly no threat to them keeping their licence.
I was just alluding to the fact that everyone who gets done is likely to say that those days are over in the presence of an authority figure.waremark said:
I attended one, and I am quite positive about the experience - I guess saying it to my mates on here is pretty comparable to saying it to my mates in the boozer? I thought it was the sort of course which all licensed drivers ought to have to attend every few years - videos illustrating the effect of speed on stopping distances, photos of locations where there had been fatals with discussion of what hazards might be anticipated out of sight, etc.
As it happens, I was outed as a 'plant', since one of the course instructors on the day was the man who organises our local IAM Regional Training Team.
I was shocked when I saw your comment, thinking 'surely waremark hasn't been forced to go on one of these courses' then I saw the 'plant' thing it made sense! As it happens, I was outed as a 'plant', since one of the course instructors on the day was the man who organises our local IAM Regional Training Team.
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