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hman said:
wheres the latest reply from the OP? - I think he's gone away to lick his wounds
Not at all, just couldn't be bothered with some of the gratuitous bloody idiocy on the thread. The guilty party in this case simply wasn't looking behind him at all and was assuming that - had I taken the slingshot approach, I'd have been fully committed and right alongside him - at full chat in a 911 - at the point where he was going to pull out anyway (remember that the w/a lens on the dashcam makes distances appear greater). So my three-step approach - close to overtake point, pull out - decision point - then go, both gives me multiple points at which I can abort the overtake and for him (were he looking) to see, beyond doubt, what my intention is. A slingshot overtake is, 95% of the time, a sign of poor planning and over-commitment. If you doubt that,then take pretty much any advanced driving course, then come back and see if your viewpoint has changed. FWIW, I'm an IAM Observer, RoSPA Gold, going through HPC and a not inexperienced road and track driver in a wide range of briskish bikes and cars. That doesn't mean that I can't (or don't) make mistakes. What it does mean is, that when I or someone else cocks it up, there's a better chance of failing safe. Which, surely, is what it's all about? Sayonora…If it's of any consolation to the OP, I'd have gone for that overtake too. There was a little sideways move from the car in front just before it moved out, but the OP had already committed to the overtake at that point.
Ce la vie though - that's why a good driver should have a plan B in reserve. In this case drop back, but continue with the overtake. There was a plan C available too - drop back behind the two cars, let the red one go and wait for the next opportunity, of which there are many on that road.
I would also have gone with plan B.
Mrs Local and I take our holidays in the Glencoe & Ballachulish area once or twice a year. That section of the A82 is one of my all time favourite roads.
Ce la vie though - that's why a good driver should have a plan B in reserve. In this case drop back, but continue with the overtake. There was a plan C available too - drop back behind the two cars, let the red one go and wait for the next opportunity, of which there are many on that road.
I would also have gone with plan B.
Mrs Local and I take our holidays in the Glencoe & Ballachulish area once or twice a year. That section of the A82 is one of my all time favourite roads.
Maybe its working on highways but I am only person to consider the clues put on by local highways.
Deviation markers and slow in the carriageway, these are not expensive decorations. A RSA audit would of deemed these necessary and our rsa audits are carried out by ex traffic police officers.
Whilst these are not a block on overtaking my view and experience has been should the op get it wrong the driving would at the least be considered without due and and or dangerous as these are warnings that have not been heeded, you need to be very clear in your mind its safe. I think the number of cars and ops far back contact position was not safest.
Deviation markers and slow in the carriageway, these are not expensive decorations. A RSA audit would of deemed these necessary and our rsa audits are carried out by ex traffic police officers.
Whilst these are not a block on overtaking my view and experience has been should the op get it wrong the driving would at the least be considered without due and and or dangerous as these are warnings that have not been heeded, you need to be very clear in your mind its safe. I think the number of cars and ops far back contact position was not safest.
jbsportstech said:
you need to be very clear in your mind its safe.
I'm sure nobody would dispute that. But then that's true for any overtake. The signs and markings don't imply that it's more important that you consider whether this overtake is safe than any other overtake. What they do is give you some things to think about as you consider it.jbsportstech said:
Maybe its working on highways but I am only person to consider the clues put on by local highways.
Deviation markers and slow in the carriageway, these are not expensive decorations. A RSA audit would of deemed these necessary and our rsa audits are carried out by ex traffic police officers.
Whilst these are not a block on overtaking my view and experience has been should the op get it wrong the driving would at the least be considered without due and and or dangerous as these are warnings that have not been heeded, you need to be very clear in your mind its safe. I think the number of cars and ops far back contact position was not safest.
Catching a couple here - your point about a "far back" contact position - that's an illusion - a forward mounted wide-angle lens exaggerates distance, so I'd in fact moved up to a perfectly normal contact position from a fairly relaxed follow. I'd also been behind the red car for several miles without him previously having shown any interest in an overtake, where there were plenty of opportunities. In fact, I chose that point for the overtake as it was a) safe and b) approaching a left-hander (with full sightline) so it's where most people wouldn't choose to overtake, thereby hopefully lessening the chance of him doing exactly what he in fact did. I would (and have) carried out similar manoeuvres with police examiners alongside and been congratulated on forward planning. Had I not had to abandon the overtake, I'd have been pulling back in just after the turn-in for the bend (ie not decreasing my turn radius pre-turn-in) and at a speed entirely consistent with car and conditions.Deviation markers and slow in the carriageway, these are not expensive decorations. A RSA audit would of deemed these necessary and our rsa audits are carried out by ex traffic police officers.
Whilst these are not a block on overtaking my view and experience has been should the op get it wrong the driving would at the least be considered without due and and or dangerous as these are warnings that have not been heeded, you need to be very clear in your mind its safe. I think the number of cars and ops far back contact position was not safest.
Technomad said:
I'd also been behind the red car for several miles without him previously having shown any interest in an overtake, where there were plenty of opportunities. In fact, I chose that point for the overtake as it was a) safe and b) approaching a left-hander (with full sightline) so it's where most people wouldn't choose to overtake, thereby hopefully lessening the chance of him doing exactly what he in fact did. I would (and have) carried out similar manoeuvres with police examiners alongside and been congratulated on forward planning. Had I not had to abandon the overtake, I'd have been pulling back in just after the turn-in for the bend (ie not decreasing my turn radius pre-turn-in) and at a speed entirely consistent with car and conditions.
It does sort of beg the question why, given that you'd followed for several miles and leaving several overtakes (presumably), why you were waiting for this particular opportunity... Nothing wrong with this particular opportunity, but knowing the road there's far better ones preceeding.StressedDave said:
It does sort of beg the question why, given that you'd followed for several miles and leaving several overtakes (presumably), why you were waiting for this particular opportunity... Nothing wrong with this particular opportunity, but knowing the road there's far better ones preceeding.
There'd been quite a lot of Northbound traffic and, on the couple of occasions when well-sighted opportunities did present (on the long climb up towards the car parks), I'd held off, assuming the red car was going to go. He didn't, so on this final occasion, when it was a much less obvious overtake, I assumed that he probably wouldn't be going. But planned in case he did, which was just as well. MC Bodge said:
The lesson to learn is probably don't broadcast dashcam footage if you don't want to be criticised, whether justified or not, no matter how many qualifications you have....
Criticism is just fine, if it's informed and thoughtful. Gratuitous trolling and unthinking testiculation is, I grant you, more typical of most online fora, so I just ignore those and respond to the people who've got something useful to say. And if qualifications ever make you, me or anyone else think we've nothing left to learn, then that's the biggest possible fail - the trick is knowing who to listen to: easier done IRL than online, definitely.I watched the video again and one of the suggested videos on the page at the time was this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH6vB1pcrRI
If nothing else it made me smile and a bit of nostalgia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH6vB1pcrRI
If nothing else it made me smile and a bit of nostalgia
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