Fast Response Paramedic Drivers

[mph1977]

Andy20vt said:

We live about 300yds from a busy police station. One of the main route's out for the police traffic is along a busy, narrow high street which during the daytime is busy with kids attending the two primary schools along it's length, elderly persons crossing the road to get to the local hospital, and during the night time is full of parked cars to one side and lots of inebriated young folk frequenting the many bars and restaurants.

Yet frequently the police hammer up and down this road at 50mph + when responding to some incident !!!!!

I phoned the police station to ask if they could 'keep a lid on things' along this section before a pedestrian gets maimed or killed, but was completely fobbed off with "all out drivers are well trained and stick to ACPO guidelines which permits them to do 50mph in a 30mph zone" and "these cars are normally responding to an incident where someone could be in danger, e.g. a woman being threatened by her violent husband etc". So it seems in order to respond quicker to some 'low life' scum having a barney in the council estate up the road, the police are prepared to put in danger the lives of the innocent and the most vulnerable in our community?

We'll I'm sorry, but how ever well trained or observant you are as a driver, however flashy your blue light are, 50mph in close proximity to children and drunk people is downright unacceptable in my book. Absolutely disgusting and they should show some restraint.

Edited by Andy20vt on Tuesday 14th October 16:57

so no person ever discovers a 'persons on ' burglary in their house? no Powerfully Built Be-goatteed Company Director libertarian Sociopath ever raises a hand towards his wife ? only doley scum are drunk drivers ?

be careful Andy, your ignorance and jealousy are showing ...

[daz6215]

Andy20vt said:

We live about 300yds from a busy police station. One of the main route's out for the police traffic is along a busy, narrow high street which during the daytime is busy with kids attending the two primary schools along it's length, elderly persons crossing the road to get to the local hospital, and during the night time is full of parked cars to one side and lots of inebriated young folk frequenting the many bars and restaurants.

however flashy your blue light are,

Edited by Andy20vt on Tuesday 14th October 16:57

You should have a party in your street Andy and use those flashy blue and red strobes, it sounds a hoot where you live! Dunno what your moaning about ;-)

[Byteme]

Why bash Andy?

[daz6215]

Ah just meant as tongue in cheek Byteme, on a serious note I dont think anyone would condone anybody driving at inappropriate speeds in such a heavily populated area such as that sounds! I suppose Andy is lucky though, he lives really close to the nick so if he really needs help urgently they will get there really fast.

[SVS]

Isn't the regulation on blue light driving about to change? I heard more people would be allowed to exceed the speed limit (e.g. bomb squad, mountain rescue), but the minimum training was changing

AFAIK, private ambulance drivers currently have no minimum driver training. Proposed new regulation may change this, although it may only become a week's course (i.e. considerably less than the several weeks' training for police advanced drivers).

Edited by SVS on Wednesday 15th October 06:55

[mph1977]

SVS said:

Isn't the regulation on blue light driving about to change? I heard more people would be allowed to exceed the speed limit (e.g. bomb squad, mountain rescue), but the minimum training was changing

AFAIK, any and all emergencydrivers currently have no minimum driver training. Proposed new regulation may change this, although it may only become a week's course (i.e. considerably less than the several weeks' training for police advanced drivers).

Edited by SVS on Wednesday 15th October 06:55

EFA

Few Police officers driving on blues are police advanced drivers, most are Responsse drivers whose training is approx 3 weeks the same as the IHCD/ edexcel course used by the majority of CQC registered Ambulance Operators. However, as this is PH, never let the facts get in the way of a musplaced rant.

[vonhosen]

mph1977 said:

SVS said:

Isn't the regulation on blue light driving about to change? I heard more people would be allowed to exceed the speed limit (e.g. bomb squad, mountain rescue), but the minimum training was changing

AFAIK, any and all emergencydrivers currently have no minimum driver training. Proposed new regulation may change this, although it may only become a week's course (i.e. considerably less than the several weeks' training for police advanced drivers).

Edited by SVS on Wednesday 15th October 06:55

EFA

Few Police officers driving on blues are police advanced drivers, most are Responsse drivers whose training is approx 3 weeks the same as the IHCD/ edexcel course used by the majority of CQC registered Ambulance Operators. However, as this is PH, never let the facts get in the way of a musplaced rant.

There being no requirement in law (yet) to have training in order to avail yourself of a speed limit exemption & there being no requirement by the employer for the same are different matters.

I know that no untrained Police officer is permitted by their employer to avail themselves of the exemption (even if the law doesn't require it), but I don't know if that's the same for other emergency service drivers.

That's not an accusation by the way, just a case of I don't know in relation to other emergency services.

[mph1977]

vonhosen said:

There being no requirement in law (yet) to have training in order to avail yourself of a speed limit exemption & there being no requirement by the employer for the same are different matters.

I know that no untrained Police officer is permitted by their employer to avail themselves of the exemption (even if the law doesn't require it), but I don't know if that's the same for other emergency service drivers.

That's not an accusation by the way, just a case of I don't know in relation to other emergency services.

Any organisation with even the most tenuous grip of Corporate Manslaughter legislation and/or PUWER has required training for response driving since the latest versions of the respective laws came around, the biggest problem in some was the way in which heads were buried over trainging drivers who hadn't been trained outside the organisation by the statutory services or military)

interestignly an iunintended consequence ofthe last revision from ACPO is that the police have both the best ( the various sub flavours of advanced) and worst trained 'blue light drivers' with the introduction of the 'basic driver with compliant stops' training - which some forces have

[vonhosen]

mph1977 said:

vonhosen said:

There being no requirement in law (yet) to have training in order to avail yourself of a speed limit exemption & there being no requirement by the employer for the same are different matters.

I know that no untrained Police officer is permitted by their employer to avail themselves of the exemption (even if the law doesn't require it), but I don't know if that's the same for other emergency service drivers.

That's not an accusation by the way, just a case of I don't know in relation to other emergency services.

Any organisation with even the most tenuous grip of Corporate Manslaughter legislation and/or PUWER has required training for response driving since the latest versions of the respective laws came around, the biggest problem in some was the way in which heads were buried over trainging drivers who hadn't been trained outside the organisation by the statutory services or military)

interestignly an iunintended consequence ofthe last revision from ACPO is that the police have both the best ( the various sub flavours of advanced) and worst trained 'blue light drivers' with the introduction of the 'basic driver with compliant stops' training - which some forces have

No basic driver will be permitted to avail themselves of the exemptions within that.

[jbsportstech]

I have to say that the rrv swas generally speaking seem very good, I think they understand the concept of don't risk a life to save a life. I think out of all the ones I have seen I can only remember one I didn't like. Cant say the same for my local force.

Avon and somerset police could learn alot from them. Many of their drivers seem to suffer red mist and this exist from response driver up to rpu/arv.

Seen them sit at traffic light cycling tones on the horn until the poor sod in front panics and jumps the lights and thats a rpu/arv normal trick at creech castle lights.

Their standard response drivers are often terrible behind one the other day at 7:00am still dark no lights and started tailgating on a dual track there was no need for it.

I had a response focus the other smashing up kerbs to get around cars at a red light just no need for it!