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Brian Trizers said:
where imagining dragons around every corner
Please dont tell me my ex has moved to the Chilterns.... 
Always drive expecting there to be the proverbial Rhinoceros around the bend having a poo, and, in such a manner that you can stop should you meet yourself coming in the other direction!
TTFN
I might forgive a little hesitancy. Exasperating as it can be, tolerance is important on the road. 'Righteous indignation' is one of the worst traits in a driver and usually comprises an unreasonable response followed by an even more unreasonable reaction.
Mind you, I have noticed recently a growing number of drivers who clearly lack basic knowledge. Stationary at a flashing amber pelican crossing with no pedestrians in sight is popular. Also I see an amazing number of drivers who don't understand filter arrows. Turning right off a main road with lights on green they will sit and wait for the filter to come on - which it never will (at this particular junction) if there is no oncoming traffic to make the filter necessary. I've seen people wait for several cycles. Extraordinary! Get a move on!
Mind you, I have noticed recently a growing number of drivers who clearly lack basic knowledge. Stationary at a flashing amber pelican crossing with no pedestrians in sight is popular. Also I see an amazing number of drivers who don't understand filter arrows. Turning right off a main road with lights on green they will sit and wait for the filter to come on - which it never will (at this particular junction) if there is no oncoming traffic to make the filter necessary. I've seen people wait for several cycles. Extraordinary! Get a move on!
I was reminded of this thread yesterday when following a car down a single lane slip road onto the motorway, the young woman driving accelerated to the giddy heights of 35mph to join the motorway, they were following a camper van but this vehicle had disappeared off into the distance long ago.
Red Devil said:
I don't recall having encountered a right turn filter traffic light which functions in the way you mention. Where is it?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Woolshops+Shop...Here, junction of King Street and Charles Street. I think they're fairly common, it's just you would rarely notice when driving - not surprising when you think about it.
giantdefy said:
FlyingFin said:
Always drive expecting there to be the proverbial Rhinoceros around the bend having a poo, and, in such a manner that you can stop should you meet yourself coming in the other direction!
Always a possibility up at Whipsnade :-)Coming round a tightening bend to find cow standing across the road !
Lifted of sharply, hit the brakes and momentarily locked the inside front wheel (no abs)
Who says the 80's air cooled 911's have savage lift of oversteer.
I'm firmly of the opinion that if people don't feel safe going any faster, then they're better off at the speed they choose, and by that I mean speed of decisions as well as actual ground covered. If more people realised their limitations in terms of information processing and decision making, then the roads would be a much safer place; slower, yes, but safer.
However, I would like those people who choose to drive slowly and make decisions slowly to tolerate and understand that other people and other cars may be safe at a higher speed or making decisions more quickly. For example, I would like the right to patiently follow someone at 30mph in a 60 limit until I reach a safe overtaking place and then overtake them safely without getting offensive symbols out of the window and main beam dazzling me.
However, I would like those people who choose to drive slowly and make decisions slowly to tolerate and understand that other people and other cars may be safe at a higher speed or making decisions more quickly. For example, I would like the right to patiently follow someone at 30mph in a 60 limit until I reach a safe overtaking place and then overtake them safely without getting offensive symbols out of the window and main beam dazzling me.
Blakewater said:
I see a lot of people who are indecisive about overtaking but then go for it when the ideal moment has passed. They'll be, "Shall I, shan't I?" until they're three quarters of the way down the straight, then close to the next bend they'll choose to go and end up on the wrong side of double white lines with only luck preventing a head on collision with something going the opposite way.
A proper plan to overtake the vehicle in front would allow them to look for an overtaking opportunity and take it as it arises rather than spontaneously thinking they might just have a go at it when they see a bit of straight road. It would also allow those behind who are observant enough to read their behaviour to identify they're definitely looking for an overtake, and so know they shouldn't try to overtake them, and to overtake after them on longer straights.
I think I've cracked this one.A proper plan to overtake the vehicle in front would allow them to look for an overtaking opportunity and take it as it arises rather than spontaneously thinking they might just have a go at it when they see a bit of straight road. It would also allow those behind who are observant enough to read their behaviour to identify they're definitely looking for an overtake, and so know they shouldn't try to overtake them, and to overtake after them on longer straights.
I don't overtake. Haven't done for ages. Dual carriageways, farm traffic, yes. But otherwise I'm happy to wait, leaving a gap for anyone wishing to O/T me.
Far more relaxing. Just me and LVB.
WD39 said:
Blakewater said:
I see a lot of people who are indecisive about overtaking but then go for it when the ideal moment has passed. They'll be, "Shall I, shan't I?" until they're three quarters of the way down the straight, then close to the next bend they'll choose to go and end up on the wrong side of double white lines with only luck preventing a head on collision with something going the opposite way.
A proper plan to overtake the vehicle in front would allow them to look for an overtaking opportunity and take it as it arises rather than spontaneously thinking they might just have a go at it when they see a bit of straight road. It would also allow those behind who are observant enough to read their behaviour to identify they're definitely looking for an overtake, and so know they shouldn't try to overtake them, and to overtake after them on longer straights.
I think I've cracked this one.A proper plan to overtake the vehicle in front would allow them to look for an overtaking opportunity and take it as it arises rather than spontaneously thinking they might just have a go at it when they see a bit of straight road. It would also allow those behind who are observant enough to read their behaviour to identify they're definitely looking for an overtake, and so know they shouldn't try to overtake them, and to overtake after them on longer straights.
I don't overtake. Haven't done for ages. Dual carriageways, farm traffic, yes. But otherwise I'm happy to wait, leaving a gap for anyone wishing to O/T me.
Far more relaxing. Just me and LVB.
Blakewater said:
WD39 said:
Blakewater said:
I see a lot of people who are indecisive about overtaking but then go for it when the ideal moment has passed. They'll be, "Shall I, shan't I?" until they're three quarters of the way down the straight, then close to the next bend they'll choose to go and end up on the wrong side of double white lines with only luck preventing a head on collision with something going the opposite way.
A proper plan to overtake the vehicle in front would allow them to look for an overtaking opportunity and take it as it arises rather than spontaneously thinking they might just have a go at it when they see a bit of straight road. It would also allow those behind who are observant enough to read their behaviour to identify they're definitely looking for an overtake, and so know they shouldn't try to overtake them, and to overtake after them on longer straights.
I think I've cracked this one.A proper plan to overtake the vehicle in front would allow them to look for an overtaking opportunity and take it as it arises rather than spontaneously thinking they might just have a go at it when they see a bit of straight road. It would also allow those behind who are observant enough to read their behaviour to identify they're definitely looking for an overtake, and so know they shouldn't try to overtake them, and to overtake after them on longer straights.
I don't overtake. Haven't done for ages. Dual carriageways, farm traffic, yes. But otherwise I'm happy to wait, leaving a gap for anyone wishing to O/T me.
Far more relaxing. Just me and LVB.
Everyone is happpy, surely. I'm not talking about tortoise speeds either. A goood average speed gets me to my destination in good time. I do have my moments though. There was this bloke the other day.......
WD39 said:
When I was a boy racer, Hillman Imp, 1970's in Kent, I used to overtake with the best, or worst, of them. These days there is just no hurry for me. As stated, I always leave plenty of space for others to o/t me.
Everyone is happpy, surely. I'm not talking about tortoise speeds either. A goood average speed gets me to my destination in good time. I do have my moments though. There was this bloke the other day.......
But if you've caught up with someone else, they must be going slower than your no hurry but not tortoise speed. So if there is an opportunity to pass safely and regain your desired speed why on earth not take it?Everyone is happpy, surely. I'm not talking about tortoise speeds either. A goood average speed gets me to my destination in good time. I do have my moments though. There was this bloke the other day.......
Dr Jekyll said:
WD39 said:
When I was a boy racer, Hillman Imp, 1970's in Kent, I used to overtake with the best, or worst, of them. These days there is just no hurry for me. As stated, I always leave plenty of space for others to o/t me.
Everyone is happpy, surely. I'm not talking about tortoise speeds either. A goood average speed gets me to my destination in good time. I do have my moments though. There was this bloke the other day.......
But if you've caught up with someone else, they must be going slower than your no hurry but not tortoise speed. So if there is an opportunity to pass safely and regain your desired speed why on earth not take it?Everyone is happpy, surely. I'm not talking about tortoise speeds either. A goood average speed gets me to my destination in good time. I do have my moments though. There was this bloke the other day.......
Dr Jekyll said:
WD39 said:
Exactly. If I catch up with someone then I adopt their speed. Unless, as I said previously, it is crawling traffic ie farm vehicles etc.
Why? What benefit do you derive from not taking a safe overtaking opportunity? Why not drive slower in the first place?It's called free choice. Why would anyone ever let someone out of a side road? Why do some days I want to get a move on and other days want to drive in a more relaxed way? WD39 can do what they want rather than overtake at every opportunity
Edited by JonV8V on Monday 7th September 20:16
JonV8V said:
Dr Jekyll said:
WD39 said:
Exactly. If I catch up with someone then I adopt their speed. Unless, as I said previously, it is crawling traffic ie farm vehicles etc.
Why? What benefit do you derive from not taking a safe overtaking opportunity? Why not drive slower in the first place?It's called free choice. Why would anyone ever let someone out of a side road? Why do some days I want to get a move on and other days want to drive in a more relaxed way? WD39 can do what they want rather than overtake at every opportunity
Edited by JonV8V on Monday 7th September 20:16
WD39 said:
JonV8V said:
Dr Jekyll said:
WD39 said:
Exactly. If I catch up with someone then I adopt their speed. Unless, as I said previously, it is crawling traffic ie farm vehicles etc.
Why? What benefit do you derive from not taking a safe overtaking opportunity? Why not drive slower in the first place?It's called free choice. Why would anyone ever let someone out of a side road? Why do some days I want to get a move on and other days want to drive in a more relaxed way? WD39 can do what they want rather than overtake at every opportunity
Edited by JonV8V on Monday 7th September 20:16
I've no idea what letting people out of side roads or some days driving in a more relaxed way has to do with it.
The point is that if you have decided that (EG) 40MPH is the optimum speed for a particular piece of road on a particular journey, and you come up behind someone doing a speed which you have already decided is inappropriately slow, taking an overtaking opportunity that presents itself is perfectly sensible. If the slower vehicle wasn't there would you slow down anyway?
If you are sitting at a set of traffic lights and don't bother to go when the light is green and it's perfectly clear but sit dithering for a while or wait for the next couple of changes. Is that a reasonable choice? No, it's sloppy.
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